From: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>
To: Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@gmail.com>
Cc: david@lang.hm, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com>,
Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
Linux RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Discard support (was Re: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:10:36 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A85E0DC.9040101@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3e8340490908131354q167840fcv124ec56c92bbb830@mail.gmail.com>
Bryan Donlan wrote:
..
> Perhaps an interface (ioctl, etc) can be added to ask a filesystem to
> discard all unused blocks in a certain range? (That is, have the
> filesystem validate the request under any necessary locks before
> passing it to the block IO layer)
..
While possibly TRIM-specific, this approach has the lowest overhead
and probably the greatest gain-for-pain ratio.
But it may not be as nice for enterprise (?).
On the Indilinx-based SSDs (eg. OCZ Vertex), TRIM seems to trigger an
internal garbage-collection/erase cycle. As such, the drive really prefers
a few LARGE trim lists, rather than many smaller ones.
Here's some information that a vendor has observed from the Win7 use of TRIM:
> TRIM command is sent:
> - About 2/3 of partition is filled up, when file is deleted.
> (I am not talking about send file to trash bin.)
> - In the above case, when trash bin gets emptied.
> - In the above case, when partition is deleted.
>
> TRIM command is not sent:-
> - When file is moved to trash bin
> - When partition is formatted. (Both quick and full format)
> - When empty partition is deleted
> - When file is deleted while there is big remaining free space
..
His words, not mine. But the idea seems to be to batch them in large chunks.
My wiper.sh "trim script" is packaged with the latest hdparm (currently 9.24)
on sourceforge, for those who want to try this stuff for real. No special
kernel support is required to use it.
Cheers
Mark
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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-12 14:37 [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed Nitin Gupta
2009-08-12 22:48 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-08-13 2:30 ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-13 6:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-13 14:44 ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-13 17:45 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-08-13 2:41 ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-13 5:05 ` compcache as a pre-swap area (was: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed) Al Boldi
2009-08-13 17:31 ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-14 4:02 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-14 4:53 ` compcache as a pre-swap area Nitin Gupta
2009-08-14 15:49 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-15 11:00 ` Al Boldi
2009-08-13 15:13 ` Discard support (was Re: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed) Matthew Wilcox
2009-08-13 15:17 ` david
2009-08-13 15:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-08-13 15:43 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-13 18:22 ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-13 16:13 ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-13 16:26 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2009-08-13 16:33 ` david
2009-08-13 18:15 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-13 19:18 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-13 20:31 ` Richard Sharpe
2009-08-14 22:03 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-14 22:54 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-15 13:12 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-13 20:44 ` david
2009-08-13 20:54 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-08-14 22:10 ` Mark Lord [this message]
2009-08-14 23:21 ` Chris Worley
2009-08-14 23:45 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-08-15 0:19 ` Chris Worley
2009-08-15 0:30 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-15 0:38 ` Chris Worley
2009-08-15 1:55 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-15 13:20 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 22:52 ` Chris Worley
2009-08-17 2:03 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-15 12:59 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-15 13:22 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-15 13:55 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-15 17:39 ` jim owens
2009-08-16 17:08 ` Robert Hancock
2009-08-16 14:05 ` Alan Cox
2009-08-16 14:16 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 15:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-08-16 15:44 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-16 17:28 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 17:37 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-17 16:30 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-08-17 16:56 ` jim owens
2009-08-17 17:14 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-08-17 17:37 ` jim owens
2009-08-16 17:37 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 15:52 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-16 16:32 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 18:07 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-16 18:19 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 18:24 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 16:37 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-08-17 17:08 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-17 17:19 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 18:16 ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-17 18:21 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-17 19:18 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 20:19 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-17 20:28 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 20:28 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 16:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-17 4:24 ` Douglas Gilbert
2009-08-17 13:56 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 14:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-08-17 19:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-17 19:24 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-16 21:50 ` Discard support Roland Dreier
2009-08-16 22:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-08-16 22:13 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-16 22:51 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 19:29 ` Discard support (was Re: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed) Alan Cox
2009-08-16 23:05 ` John Robinson
2009-08-17 2:05 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-13 21:28 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-13 22:20 ` Richard Sharpe
2009-08-14 0:19 ` Greg Freemyer
[not found] ` <46b8a8850908131758s781b07f6v2729483c0e50ae7a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-08-14 21:33 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-14 21:56 ` Discard support Roland Dreier
2009-08-14 22:10 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-13 17:19 ` Discard support (was Re: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed) Hugh Dickins
2009-08-13 18:08 ` Douglas Gilbert
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