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From: pageexec@freemail.hu
To: "Larry H." <research@subreption.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Security fix for remapping of page 0 (was [PATCH] Change ZERO_SIZE_PTR to point at unmapped space)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:41:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A26D1EF.21895.2E070251@pageexec.freemail.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0906031142390.4880@localhost.localdomain>

On 3 Jun 2009 at 11:45, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry H. wrote:
> > > 
> > > The fact, the NULL pointer attack is neither easy nor common. It's 
> > > perfectly reasonable to say "we'll allow mmap at virtual address zero".
> > 
> > And how could you calibrate if this attack venue isn't easy to take
> > advantage of? Or not commonly abused? What empirical results led you to this
> > conclusion?
> 
> It's not a primary attack vector. You need to have already broken local 
> security to get there - you need to be able to execute code.

during last summer's flame war^W^Wdiscussion about how you guys were covering
up security fixes you brought an example of smart university students breaking
communal boxes left and right. are you now saying that it was actually a strawman
argument as you consider that situation already broken? you can't have it both
ways ;).

> That means that you've already by-passed all the main security. It's thus 
> by definition less common than attack vectors like buffer overflows that 
> give you that capability in the first place.

that only means that you've ignored multi-user boxes.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-03 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-30 19:28 [PATCH] Change ZERO_SIZE_PTR to point at unmapped space Larry H.
2009-05-30 22:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-30 23:00   ` Larry H.
2009-05-31  2:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-31  2:21       ` Larry H.
2009-06-02 15:37         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-02 20:34           ` Larry H.
2009-06-03 14:50             ` Security fix for remapping of page 0 (was [PATCH] Change ZERO_SIZE_PTR to point at unmapped space) Christoph Lameter
2009-06-03 15:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 15:23                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-03 15:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 16:14                     ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03 16:19                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 16:24                         ` Eric Paris
2009-06-03 16:22                     ` Eric Paris
2009-06-03 16:28                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 16:32                         ` Eric Paris
2009-06-03 16:44                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 15:11               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-06-03 15:41                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-03 16:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 16:28                   ` Larry H.
2009-06-03 16:36                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-03 16:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 17:16                         ` Eric Paris
2009-06-03 17:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 17:31                             ` Eric Paris
2009-06-03 17:24                         ` Larry H.
2009-06-03 17:21                       ` Larry H.
2009-06-03 22:52                         ` James Morris
2009-06-03 17:29               ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03 17:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 18:00                   ` Larry H.
2009-06-03 18:12                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 18:39                       ` Larry H.
2009-06-03 18:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 18:50                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 18:59                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-03 19:11                               ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-03 19:14                               ` Eric Paris
2009-06-03 19:42                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-03 19:51                                   ` Eric Paris
2009-06-03 20:04                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-03 20:16                                       ` Eric Paris
2009-06-03 20:36                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-03 21:20                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-04  2:41                                       ` James Morris
2009-06-03 19:21                               ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03 19:45                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-03 21:07                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03 19:27                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 19:50                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-03 20:00                             ` pageexec
2009-06-03 19:41                           ` pageexec [this message]
2009-06-07 10:29               ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-30 22:32 ` [PATCH] Change ZERO_SIZE_PTR to point at unmapped space Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 22:51   ` Larry H.

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