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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>,
	"Matthew Brost" <matthew.brost@intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Ralph Campbell <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: pincount vs refcount: [PATCH] mm/hmm: Fix a hmm_range_fault() livelock / starvation problem
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2026 17:13:42 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49e42d3c-85c5-4aee-8323-9361a9d6e66b@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9a9853a320a30802ff35803a574aab037aa2fd92.camel@linux.intel.com>

On 2/3/26 1:31 AM, Thomas Hellström wrote:
...
> So this is what I had in mind:
> 
> I think certainly this would work regardless of whether pincount is
> implemented by means of refcount with a bias or not, and AFAICT it's
> also consistent with 
> 
> https://docs.kernel.org/core-api/pin_user_pages.html
> 
> But it would not work if some part of core mm grabs a page refcount and
> *expects* that to pin a page in the sense that it should not be
> migrated. But you're suggesting that's actually the case?

Yes. The migration code itself, in fact, uses folio_get() with the
expectation that this blocks migration:

migrate_vma_collect_pmd():

	/*
	 * By getting a reference on the folio we pin it and that blocks
	 * any kind of migration. Side effect is that it "freezes" the
	 * pte.
	 *
	 * We drop this reference after isolating the folio from the lru
	 * for non device folio (device folio are not on the lru and thus
	 * can't be dropped from it).
	 */
	folio = page_folio(page);
	folio_get(folio);


I'm experiencing a bit of local-mind-boggle at decoupling refcount
from pincount, but part of that is probably just bias towards "but
it's always been that way!". haha :)


thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard



      reply	other threads:[~2026-02-04  1:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-30 14:45 Thomas Hellström
2026-01-30 18:00 ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-30 19:56   ` Thomas Hellström
2026-01-30 20:38     ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-30 21:01       ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-30 21:08         ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-31  0:59           ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-31  3:01   ` John Hubbard
2026-01-31 12:57     ` Thomas Hellström
2026-01-31 19:00       ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-31 21:42         ` John Hubbard
2026-02-01 19:24           ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-01 20:48             ` John Hubbard
2026-02-01 21:07               ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-02  0:10                 ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02  9:30                   ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 10:25                     ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 10:41                       ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 11:22                         ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 11:44                           ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 12:26                             ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 14:07                               ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 23:13                                 ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02  9:13           ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 10:34             ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 10:51               ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 11:28                 ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 22:28             ` John Hubbard
2026-02-03  9:31               ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-04  1:13                 ` John Hubbard [this message]

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