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From: Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Rohit Seth <rohitseth@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	edwintorok@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v1][PATCH]page_fault retry with NOPAGE_RETRY
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:46:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <493074D8.3080002@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081128094127.GC1818@wotan.suse.de>

Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:22:57AM -0800, Mike Waychison wrote:
>> Nick Piggin wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:00:07AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> pagemap_read looks like it can use get_user_pages_fast. The smaps and
>>> clear_refs stuff might have been nicer if they could work on ranges
>>> like pagemap. Then they could avoid mmap_sem as well (although maps
>>> would need to be sampled and take mmap_sem I guess).
>>>
>>> One problem with dropping mmap_sem is that it hurts priority/fairness.
>>> And it opens a bit of a (maybe theoretical but not something to completely
>>> ignore) forward progress hole AFAIKS. If mmap_sem is very heavily
>>> contended, then the refault is going to take a while to get through,
>>> and then the page might get reclaimed etc).
>> Right, this can be an issue.  The way around it should be to minimize 
>> the length of time any single lock holder can sit on it.  Compared to 
>> what we have today with:
>>
>>   - sleep in major fault with read lock held,
>>   - enqueue writer behind it,
>>   - and make all other faults wait on the rwsem
>>
>> The retry logic seems to be a lot better for forward progress.
> 
> The whole reason why you have the latency is because it is
> guaranteeing forward progress for everyone. The retry logic
> may work out better in that situation, but it does actually
> open a starvation hole.
> 

Right.  In practice though, we haven't seen this cause a problem (and is 
why we'll only allow the path to retry once).

Do you have any suggestions on how we could plug this hole?   Perhaps we 
could pin a reference to the page in the vm_fault structure across the 
retry?

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-28 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-22  6:47 Ying Han
2008-11-22  7:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-23  9:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-23 18:24   ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-25 18:42   ` Ying Han
2008-11-26 12:32     ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-26 19:57       ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27  8:55         ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27  9:28           ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 10:00             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 10:14               ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 19:22                 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28  9:41                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 22:46                     ` Mike Waychison [this message]
2008-11-27 11:08               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-27 19:10               ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 11:39             ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:03               ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:21                 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 12:39                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:52                     ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:05                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:10                         ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:12                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:23                             ` Török Edwin
2008-11-28 12:10                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-30 19:38                                 ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01  8:52                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:13                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:37                                     ` Török Edwin
2008-12-04 22:27                       ` Ying Han
2008-12-05  6:50                         ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:08             ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 19:03               ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28  9:37                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 23:02                   ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-30 19:54                     ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01  4:50                       ` Mike Waychison
2008-12-01  8:58                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:45                     ` Nick Piggin

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