From: Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
akpm <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Rohit Seth <rohitseth@google.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
edwintorok@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v1][PATCH]page_fault retry with NOPAGE_RETRY
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:46:48 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <493074D8.3080002@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081128094127.GC1818@wotan.suse.de>
Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:22:57AM -0800, Mike Waychison wrote:
>> Nick Piggin wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:00:07AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> pagemap_read looks like it can use get_user_pages_fast. The smaps and
>>> clear_refs stuff might have been nicer if they could work on ranges
>>> like pagemap. Then they could avoid mmap_sem as well (although maps
>>> would need to be sampled and take mmap_sem I guess).
>>>
>>> One problem with dropping mmap_sem is that it hurts priority/fairness.
>>> And it opens a bit of a (maybe theoretical but not something to completely
>>> ignore) forward progress hole AFAIKS. If mmap_sem is very heavily
>>> contended, then the refault is going to take a while to get through,
>>> and then the page might get reclaimed etc).
>> Right, this can be an issue. The way around it should be to minimize
>> the length of time any single lock holder can sit on it. Compared to
>> what we have today with:
>>
>> - sleep in major fault with read lock held,
>> - enqueue writer behind it,
>> - and make all other faults wait on the rwsem
>>
>> The retry logic seems to be a lot better for forward progress.
>
> The whole reason why you have the latency is because it is
> guaranteeing forward progress for everyone. The retry logic
> may work out better in that situation, but it does actually
> open a starvation hole.
>
Right. In practice though, we haven't seen this cause a problem (and is
why we'll only allow the path to retry once).
Do you have any suggestions on how we could plug this hole? Perhaps we
could pin a reference to the page in the vm_fault structure across the
retry?
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-11-28 22:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-22 6:47 Ying Han
2008-11-22 7:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-23 9:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-23 18:24 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-25 18:42 ` Ying Han
2008-11-26 12:32 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-26 19:57 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 8:55 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 9:28 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 10:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 10:14 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 19:22 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28 9:41 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 22:46 ` Mike Waychison [this message]
2008-11-27 11:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-27 19:10 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 11:39 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:03 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:21 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 12:39 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:52 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:05 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:10 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:12 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:23 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-28 12:10 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-30 19:38 ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01 8:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:13 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:37 ` Török Edwin
2008-12-04 22:27 ` Ying Han
2008-12-05 6:50 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 19:03 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28 9:37 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 23:02 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-30 19:54 ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01 4:50 ` Mike Waychison
2008-12-01 8:58 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:45 ` Nick Piggin
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