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From: "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" <jackyf.devel@gmail.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: mmap: is default non-populating behavior stable?
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:50:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4911DCEF.80904@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0811051613400.21353@blonde.site>

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Hugh Dickins wrote:
>> Thanks to all for answers. I have made the conclusion that doing "open() new
>> file, truncate(<big size>), mmap(<the same big size>), write/read some memory
>> pages" should not populate other, untouched by write/read pages (until
>> MAP_POPULATE given), right?
[snip]
> For a start, it depends on the filesystem: I believe that vfat, for
> example, does not support the concept of sparse files (files with holes
> in), so its truncate(<big size>) will allocate the whole of that big
> size initially.
For my case vfat is not an option fortunately.

> I'm not sure what you mean by "populate": in mm, as in MAP_POPULATE,
> we're thinking of prefaulting pages into the user address space; but
> you're probably thinking of whether the blocks are allocated on disk?
Yes.

>>From time to time we toy with prefaulting adjacent pages when a fault
> occurs (though IIRC tests have proved disappointing in the past): we'd
> like to keep that option open, but it would go against your guidelines
> above to some extent.
It depends how is "adjacent" would count :) If several pages, probably not. If
millions or similar, that would be a problem. It's very convenient to use such
"open+truncate+mmap+write/read" behavior to make self-growing-on-demand cache
in memory with disk as back-end without remaps.

Thanks for descriptive answer.

-- 
Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-05 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <490F73CD.4010705@gmail.com>
2008-11-03 22:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-03 22:49   ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-04 15:56     ` Chris Friesen
2008-11-04 16:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-04 16:28         ` Alan Cox
2008-11-04 16:51           ` Eugene V. Lyubimkin
2008-11-05 16:42             ` Hugh Dickins
2008-11-05 16:54               ` Alan Cox
2008-11-05 17:50               ` Eugene V. Lyubimkin [this message]
2008-11-05 23:31                 ` Hugh Dickins

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