From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Hugh Dickens <hugh@veritas.com>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Populating multiple ptes at fault time
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:45:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48D17A93.4000803@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48D1625C.7000309@redhat.com>
Chris Snook wrote:
> Is it still expensive when you're using nested page tables?
No, nested pagetables are the same as native to update, so the main
benefit in that case is the reduction of faults.
> We already have rather well-tested code in the VM to detect fault
> patterns, complete with userspace hints to set readahead policy. It
> seems to me that if we're going to read nearby pages into pagecache,
> we might as well actually map them at the same time. Duplicating the
> readahead code is probably a bad idea.
Right, that was my point. I'm assuming that that machinery already
exists and would be available for use in this case.
>> Minor faults are easier; if the page already exists in memory, we should
>> just create mappings to it. If neighbouring pages are also already
>> present, then we can can cheaply create mappings for them too.
>
> If we're mapping pagecache, then sure, this is really cheap, but
> speculatively allocating anonymous pages will hurt, badly, on many
> workloads.
OK, makes sense. Does the access pattern detecting code measure access
patterns to anonymous mappings?
>> This seems like an obvious idea, so I'm wondering if someone has
>> prototyped it already to see what effects there are. In the native
>> case, pte updates are much cheaper, so perhaps it doesn't help much
>> there, though it would potentially reduce the number of faults
>> needed. But I think there's scope for measurable benefits in the
>> virtual case.
>
> Sounds like something we might want to enable conditionally on the use
> of pv_ops features.
Perhaps, but I'd rather avoid it. I'm hoping this is something we could
do that has - at worst - no effect on the native case, while improving
the virtual case. The test matrix is already large enough without
adding another stateful switch. After all, any side effect which makes
it a bad idea for the native case will probably be bad enough to
overwhelm any benefit in the virtual case.
J
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-09-17 21:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-17 17:47 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-17 18:28 ` Rik van Riel
2008-09-17 21:47 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-17 20:02 ` Chris Snook
2008-09-17 21:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2008-09-18 18:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-18 18:53 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-18 19:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-18 22:21 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-18 20:52 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-18 20:53 ` Chris Snook
2008-09-18 21:11 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-18 21:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-18 21:21 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-18 21:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-18 21:49 ` MinChan Kim
2008-09-18 21:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-18 22:08 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-18 22:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-18 22:18 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-18 22:22 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-18 22:23 ` Chris Snook
2008-09-18 23:16 ` MinChan Kim
2008-09-17 22:02 ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-17 22:30 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-17 22:47 ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-17 23:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-18 20:26 ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-18 22:18 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-18 23:38 ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-19 0:00 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-19 0:20 ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-19 0:42 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-24 12:31 ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-25 18:32 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 10:26 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-09-19 17:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-09-17 23:50 ` MinChan Kim
2008-09-18 6:58 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-18 7:26 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
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