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From: Jinjiang Tu <tujinjiang@huawei.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
	Nanyong Sun <sunnanyong@huawei.com>, <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	<akpm@linux-foundation.org>, <baohua@kernel.org>,
	<baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>, <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	<kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<mike.kravetz@oracle.com>, <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
	<william.kucharski@oracle.com>, <yang.shi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	<ziy@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [Question] performance regression after VM migration due to anon THP split in CoW
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 21:31:00 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4881e19d-d556-4b54-a788-bf1e111ff24a@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADFyXm6mWpG8qoURxRPFuOG8WCAYeDbKwfjgET9FnO-xj=y6Hw@mail.gmail.com>


在 2024/6/29 17:45, David Hildenbrand 写道:
> Hi,
>
> Likely the mailing lists won‘t like my mail from this Google Mail 
> client ;)
>
> Jinjiang Tu <tujinjiang@huawei.com> schrieb am Sa. 29. Juni 2024 um 11:18:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     We noticed a performance regression in benchmark memtester[1] after
>     upgrading the kernel. THP is enabled by default
>     (/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
>     is set to "always"). The issue arises when we migrate a virtual
>     machine
>     that has 125G total memory and 124G free memory to another host.
>     And then,
>     we run the command `memtester 120G` in the VM. The benchmark takes
>     about
>     20 seconds to consume 120G memory in v4.18, but takes about 160
>     seconds in
>     v5.10. This issue exists in mainline kernel too.
>
>
> Simple: use preallocation in QEMU. „prealloc=on“ for host memory 
> backends, for example.
>
>
>     We find commit 3917c80280c9 ("thp: change CoW semantics for anon-THP")
>     leads to the performance regression. Since this commit, When we
>     trigger a
>     write fault on a anon THP, we split the PMD and allocate a 4K
>     page, instead
>     of allocating the full anon THP. When a VM is migrating (based on
>     qemu[2]),
>     if the page is marked zero page in the source VM, the destination
>     VM will
>     call mmap and read the region to allocate memory, making the
>     region mapped
>     by the zero THP. When we run memtester in the destination VM after VM
>     migration finishes, memtester(in VM) will allocate large amounts
>     of free
>     memory and write to them, cause CoW of anon THP and THP split, further
>     cause performance regression. After reverting this commit, performance
>     regression disappears.
>
>
> You talk about COW of anon THP, whereby your scenario really only 
> relied on COW of the huge zeropage.
>
> Wouldn’t you would get a similar result when disabling the huge zeropage?
>
>
>
>     This commit optimises some scenarios such as Redis, but may lead to
>     performance regression in some other scenarios, such as VM migration.
>     How could we solve this issue? Maybe we could add a new sysctl to
>     let users
>     decide whether to CoW the full anon THP or not?
>
>
> I‘m not convinced the use case you present really warrants a toggle 
> for that. In your case you only want to change semantics on COW fault 
> to the huge zeropage. But …
>
> Using preallocation in QEMU will give you all anon THP right from the 
> start, avoiding any cow. Sure, you consume all memory right away, but 
> after all that‘s what your use case triggers either way. And it might 
> all be even faster. :)
>
> Cheers!
>
Thanks for reply. The two methods both work. But they both lead to large 
memory consumption even though the VM doesn't need so much memory right now.
>
>
>     Thanks.
>
>     [1] https://github.com/jnavila/memtester/tree/master
>     [2] https://github.com/qemu/qemu/blob/master/migration/ram.c
>
>


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-04 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-29  9:18 Jinjiang Tu
2024-06-29  9:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04 13:31   ` Jinjiang Tu [this message]
2024-07-04 13:55     ` David Hildenbrand

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