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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"xemul@openvz.org" <xemul@openvz.org>,
	"menage@google.com" <menage@google.com>,
	"yamamoto@valinux.co.jp" <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>,
	"lizf@cn.fujitsu.com" <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/2] memcg: res_counter hierarchy
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 03:50:51 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48407DC3.8060001@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080530104515.9afefdbb.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> This patch tries to implements _simple_ 'hierarchy policy' in res_counter.
> 
> While several policy of hierarchy can be considered, this patch implements
> simple one 
>    - the parent includes, over-commits the child
>    - there are no shared resource

I am not sure if this is desirable. The concept of a hierarchy applies really
well when there are shared resources.

>    - dynamic hierarchy resource usage management in the kernel is not necessary
> 

Could you please elaborate as to why? I am not sure I understand your point

> works as following.
> 
>  1. create a child. set default child limits to be 0.
>  2. set limit to child.
>     2-a. before setting limit to child, prepare enough room in parent.
>     2-b. increase 'usage' of parent by child's limit.

The problem with this is that you are forcing the parent will run into a reclaim
loop even if the child is not using the assigned limit to it.

>  3. the child sets its limit to the val moved from the parent.
>     the parent remembers what amount of resource is to the children.
> 

All of this needs to be dynamic

>  Above means that
> 	- a directory's usage implies the sum of all sub directories +
>           own usage.
> 	- there are no shared resource between parent <-> child.
> 
>  Pros.
>   - simple and easy policy.
>   - no hierarchy overhead.
>   - no resource share among child <-> parent. very suitable for multilevel
>     resource isolation.

Sharing is an important aspect of hierachies. I am not convinced of this
approach. Did you look at the patches I sent out? Was there something
fundamentally broken in them?

[snip]

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-30 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-30  1:43 [RFC][PATCH 0/2] memcg: simple hierarchy (v2) KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-05-30  1:45 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] memcg: res_counter hierarchy KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-05-30 22:20   ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2008-05-31  1:59   ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-05-31 11:20     ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-31 14:47     ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-05-31 17:18       ` Balbir Singh
2008-06-01  0:35       ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-06-02  6:16         ` Balbir Singh
2008-06-02  9:48         ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-06-02  2:15   ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-06-02  9:52   ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-05-30  1:46 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] memcg: memcg hierarchy KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-05-30  1:46 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] memcg: simple hierarchy (v2) Rik van Riel
2008-06-04  4:58 [RFC][PATCH 0/2] memcg: hierarchy support (v3) KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-04  5:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] memcg: res_counter hierarchy KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-04  6:54   ` Li Zefan
2008-06-04  7:03     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-04  7:20   ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-06-04  7:32     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-04  8:59   ` Paul Menage
2008-06-04  9:18     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-09  9:48   ` Balbir Singh
2008-06-09 10:20     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-09 10:37       ` Balbir Singh
2008-06-11 23:24   ` Randy Dunlap
2008-06-12  4:59     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki

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