From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
brauner@kernel.org, shuah@kernel.org, aarcange@redhat.com,
lokeshgidra@google.com, hughd@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
axelrasmussen@google.com, rppt@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org,
Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, zhangpeng362@huawei.com,
bgeffon@google.com, kaleshsingh@google.com, ngeoffray@google.com,
jdduke@google.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP uABI
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 19:36:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47daf31f-e242-43e3-289c-8015eb516c6d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d613c21e-c76c-f40a-23ec-b9bb3feb5b85@redhat.com>
On 02.10.23 19:33, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 02.10.23 17:21, Peter Xu wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 02, 2023 at 10:00:03AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> In case we cannot simply remap the page, the fallback sequence (from the
>>> cover letter) would be triggered.
>>>
>>> 1) UFFDIO_COPY
>>> 2) MADV_DONTNEED
>>>
>>> So we would just handle the operation internally without a fallback.
>>
>> Note that I think there will be a slight difference on whole remap
>> atomicity, on what happens if the page is modified after UFFDIO_COPY but
>> before DONTNEED.
>
> If the page is writable (implies PAE), we can always move it. If it is
> R/O, it cannot change before we get a page fault and grab the PT lock
> (well, and page lock).
>
> So I think something atomic can be implemented without too much issues.
>
>>
>> UFFDIO_REMAP guarantees full atomicity when moving the page, IOW, threads
>> can be updating the pages when ioctl(UFFDIO_REMAP), data won't get lost
>> during movement, and it will generate a missing event after moved, with
>> latest data showing up on dest.
>
> If the page has to be copied, grab a reference and unmap it, then copy
> it and map it into the new process. Should be doable and handle all
> kinds of situations just fine.
>
> Just throwing out ideas to get a less low-level interface.
>
> [if one really wants to get notified when one cannot move without a
> copy, one could have a flag for such power users to control the behavior]
>
[of course, if someone would have a GUP-pin on such a page, the page
exchange would be observable. Just have to documented the UFFDIO_MOVE
semantics properly]
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-02 17:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-23 1:31 [PATCH v2 0/3] userfaultfd remap option Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-23 1:31 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP: rmap preparation Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 16:23 ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 20:03 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-02 14:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 15:23 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-02 17:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-03 17:56 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-23 1:31 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP uABI Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-27 10:06 ` potential new userfaultfd vs khugepaged conflict [was: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP uABI] Jann Horn
2023-09-27 17:12 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 15:29 ` Jann Horn
2023-09-27 12:47 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_REMAP uABI Jann Horn
2023-09-27 13:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-27 18:25 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 16:28 ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 17:15 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-28 18:32 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 20:11 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 19:00 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-02 7:49 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-28 16:24 ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 17:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-28 17:21 ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 17:51 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-28 18:34 ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 19:47 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-02 8:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 15:21 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-02 15:46 ` Lokesh Gidra
2023-10-02 15:55 ` Lokesh Gidra
2023-10-02 17:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 19:33 ` Lokesh Gidra
2023-10-03 20:04 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-03 20:21 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-03 21:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-03 21:20 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-03 22:26 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-03 23:39 ` Lokesh Gidra
2023-10-06 12:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-06 15:02 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-10-03 21:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 17:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02 17:36 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-09-27 18:07 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-27 20:04 ` Jann Horn
2023-09-27 20:42 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-27 21:08 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-27 22:48 ` Jann Horn
2023-09-28 15:36 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 17:09 ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 18:23 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-28 18:43 ` Peter Xu
2023-09-28 19:50 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-09-23 1:31 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] selftests/mm: add UFFDIO_REMAP ioctl test Suren Baghdasaryan
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