From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Cc: Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
Sudhir Kumar <skumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
YAMAMOTO Takashi <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>,
lizf@cn.fujitsu.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
taka@valinux.co.jp, linux-mm@kvack.org,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [-mm] Add an owner to the mm_struct (v2)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:40:44 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47ED34A4.70604@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830803280838s19ffc366w1a950ebb12e2907b@mail.gmail.com>
Paul Menage wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> mm->owner_lock is there to protect mm->owner field from changing simultaneously
>> as tasks fork/exit.
>>
>
> But the *hardware* already does that for you - individual writes to
> pointers are already atomic operations and so will be serialized.
> Using a lock to guard something only does anything useful if at least
> one of the critical regions that takes the lock consists of more than
> a single atomic operation, or if you have a mixture of read sections
> and write sections. Now it's true that your critical region in
> mm_fork_init_owner() is more than a single atomic op, but I'm arguing
> below that it's a no-op. So that just leaves the single region
>
> spin_lock(&mm->owner_lock);
> mm->owner = new_owner;
> spin_unlock(&mm->owner_lock);
>
> which isn't observably different if you remove the spinlock.
>
At fork time, we can have do_fork() run in parallel and we need to protect
mm->owner, if several threads are created at the same time. We don't want to
overwrite mm->owner for each thread that is created.
>> Oh! yes.. my bad again. The check should have been p == p->thread_group, but
>> that is not required either. The check should now ideally be
>>
>> if (!(clone_flags & CLONE_VM))
>>
>
> OK, so if the new thread has its own mm (and hence will already have
> mm->owner set up to point to p in mm_init()) then we do:
>
>> + if (mm->owner != p)
>> + rcu_assign_pointer(mm->owner, p->group_leader);
>
> which is a no-op since we know mm->owner == p.
>
>> Yes.. I think we need to call it earlier.
>>
>
> No, I think we need to call it later - after we've cleared current->mm
> (from within task_lock(current)) - so we can't rely on p->mm in this
> function, we have to pass it in. If we call it before while
> current->mm == mm, then we risk a race where the (new or existing)
> owner exits and passes it back to us *after* we've done a check to see
> if we need to find a new owner. If we ensure that current->mm != mm
> before we call mm_update_next_owner(), then we know we're not a
> candidate for receiving the ownership if we don't have it already.
>
Yes and we could also check for flags & PF_EXITING
>> But there is no way to guarantee that, what is the new_owner exec's after we've
>> done the check and assigned. Won't we end up breaking the invariant? How about
>> we have mm_update_new_owner() call in exec_mmap() as well? That way, we can
>> still use owner_lock and keep the invariant.
>>
>
> Oops, I thought that exit_mm() already got called in the execve()
> path, but you're right, it doesn't.
>
> Yes, exit_mmap() should call mm_update_next_owner() after the call to
> task_unlock(), i.e. after it's set its new mm.
>
> So I need to express the invariant more carefully.
>
> What we need to preserve is that, for every mm at all times, mm->owner
> points to a valid task. So either:
>
> 1) mm->owner->mm == mm AND mm->owner will check to see whether it
> needs to pass ownership before it exits or execs.
>
> OR
>
> 2) mm->owner is the last user of mm and is about to free mm.
>
> OR
>
> 3) mm->owner is currently searching for another user of mm to pass the
> ownership to.
>
> In order to get from state 3 to state 1 safely we have to hold
> task_lock(new_owner). Otherwise we can race with an exit or exec in
> new_owner, resulting in a process that has already passed the point of
> checking current->mm->owner.
>
No.. like you said if we do it after current->mm has changed and is different
from mm, then it's safe to find a new owner. I still don't see why we need
task_lock(new_owner). Even if we have task_lock(new_owner), it can still exit or
exec later.
> I don't see why we need mm->owner_lock to maintain this invariant.
> (But am quite prepared to be proven wrong).
>
Why mix task_lock() to protect mm->owner? owner_lock can provide the protection
you are talking about.
--
Warm Regards,
Balbir Singh
Linux Technology Center
IBM, ISTL
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-03-28 18:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-28 8:23 Balbir Singh
2008-03-28 9:41 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-03-28 9:43 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-03-28 10:11 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-28 10:48 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-03-28 10:51 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-28 11:06 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-03-28 10:55 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-03-28 10:52 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-28 11:04 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-28 11:15 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-03-28 11:21 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-03-28 11:01 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-28 12:36 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-28 12:54 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-28 14:06 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-28 14:05 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-28 14:52 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-28 15:38 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-28 18:10 ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2008-03-28 18:52 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-29 1:02 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-29 5:46 ` Balbir Singh
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