From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <46A81F67.1040502@garzik.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:13:27 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 References: <20070725203523.GA10750@elte.hu> <200707260432.52739.bzolnier@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200707260432.52739.bzolnier@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Return-Path: To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz Cc: Ingo Molnar , Satyam Sharma , Rene Herman , Jos Poortvliet , david@lang.hm, Nick Piggin , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Ray Lee , Jesper Juhl , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ck list , linux-mm@kvack.org, Paul Jackson , Andrew Morton List-ID: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: > On Wednesday 25 July 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: >> you dont _have to_ cooperative with the maintainer, but it's certainly >> useful to work with good maintainers, if your goal is to improve Linux. >> Or if for some reason communication is not working out fine then grow >> into the job and replace the maintainer by doing a better job. > > The idea of growing into the job and replacing the maintainer by proving > the you are doing better job was viable few years ago but may not be > feasible today. IMO... Tejun is an excellent counter-example. He showed up as an independent developer, put a bunch of his own spare time and energy into the codebase, and is probably libata's main engineer (in terms of code output) today. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, I think the Linux community would be quite happy with him as the libata maintainer. > The another problem is that sometimes it seems that independent developers > has to go through more hops than entreprise ones and it is really frustrating > experience for them. There is no conspiracy here - it is only the natural > mechanism of trusting more in the code of people who you are working with more. I think Tejun is a counter-example here too :) Everyone's experience is different, but from my perspective, Tejun "appeared out of nowhere" producing good code, and so, it got merged rapidly. Personally, for merging code, I tend to trust people who are most in tune with "the Linux Way(tm)." It is hard to quantify, but quite often, independent developers "get it" when enterprise developers do not. > Now could I ask people to stop all this -ck threads and give the developers > involved in the recent events some time to calmly rethink the whole case. Indeed... Jeff -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: email@kvack.org