From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Satyam Sharma <satyam.sharma@gmail.com>,
Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>,
Jos Poortvliet <jos@mijnkamer.nl>,
david@lang.hm, Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>,
Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ck list <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:13:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46A81F67.1040502@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707260432.52739.bzolnier@gmail.com>
Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 July 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> you dont _have to_ cooperative with the maintainer, but it's certainly
>> useful to work with good maintainers, if your goal is to improve Linux.
>> Or if for some reason communication is not working out fine then grow
>> into the job and replace the maintainer by doing a better job.
>
> The idea of growing into the job and replacing the maintainer by proving
> the you are doing better job was viable few years ago but may not be
> feasible today.
IMO... Tejun is an excellent counter-example. He showed up as an
independent developer, put a bunch of his own spare time and energy into
the codebase, and is probably libata's main engineer (in terms of code
output) today. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, I think the Linux
community would be quite happy with him as the libata maintainer.
> The another problem is that sometimes it seems that independent developers
> has to go through more hops than entreprise ones and it is really frustrating
> experience for them. There is no conspiracy here - it is only the natural
> mechanism of trusting more in the code of people who you are working with more.
I think Tejun is a counter-example here too :) Everyone's experience is
different, but from my perspective, Tejun "appeared out of nowhere"
producing good code, and so, it got merged rapidly.
Personally, for merging code, I tend to trust people who are most in
tune with "the Linux Way(tm)." It is hard to quantify, but quite often,
independent developers "get it" when enterprise developers do not.
> Now could I ask people to stop all this -ck threads and give the developers
> involved in the recent events some time to calmly rethink the whole case.
Indeed...
Jeff
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[not found] <20070710013152.ef2cd200.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2007-07-10 10:15 ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-11 1:02 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-11 1:14 ` [ck] " Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 1:52 ` André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-11 4:25 ` [ck] " André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-11 2:21 ` Ira Snyder
2007-07-11 3:37 ` timotheus
2007-07-11 2:54 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-11 5:18 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11 5:47 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-11 5:54 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11 6:04 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-11 6:24 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11 7:50 ` swap prefetch (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Ingo Molnar
2007-07-11 6:00 ` [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Nick Piggin
2007-07-11 3:59 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2007-07-11 12:26 ` Kevin Winchester
2007-07-11 12:36 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-12 12:06 ` Kacper Wysocki
2007-07-12 12:35 ` Avuton Olrich
2007-07-22 23:11 ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-23 23:08 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-24 3:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 4:53 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24 5:10 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24 5:18 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24 5:16 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 16:11 ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 - Completely Fair Swap Prefetch Frank Kingswood
2007-07-25 0:59 ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-24 16:15 ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Ray Lee
2007-07-25 4:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 4:55 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 5:00 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 5:12 ` david
2007-07-25 5:30 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 5:51 ` david
2007-07-25 7:14 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-25 8:18 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 8:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 8:43 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 10:53 ` [ck] " Jos Poortvliet
2007-07-25 11:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 12:39 ` Jos Poortvliet
2007-07-25 13:30 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 13:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 17:33 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-25 20:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 2:32 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-07-26 4:13 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-07-26 10:22 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-07-25 11:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 11:40 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 11:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 16:08 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-25 22:05 ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-25 22:22 ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-25 22:27 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-25 22:28 ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-07-25 23:45 ` André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-25 16:02 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:55 ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-25 21:28 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26 1:15 ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-26 1:32 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26 3:16 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-26 22:30 ` Michael Chang
2007-07-25 5:30 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 5:37 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 5:53 ` david
2007-07-25 6:04 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 6:23 ` david
2007-07-25 7:25 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 7:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 7:58 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 8:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 10:41 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-25 6:19 ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25 6:30 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 6:47 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-25 7:19 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 6:44 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 16:09 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26 4:57 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 5:53 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-26 6:06 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 6:17 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-26 6:33 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26 6:50 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 7:43 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26 7:59 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-28 0:24 ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-26 14:19 ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-07-26 18:13 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 22:04 ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-26 22:33 ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-26 23:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-26 23:29 ` david
2007-07-26 23:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-27 0:12 ` david
2007-07-28 0:12 ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-28 3:42 ` Daniel Cheng
2007-07-28 9:35 ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-25 17:55 ` Frank A. Kingswood
2007-07-25 6:09 ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25 6:18 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 16:19 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:46 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-26 8:38 ` Frank Kingswood
2007-07-26 9:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 9:34 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 9:40 ` RFT: updatedb "morning after" problem [was: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23] Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 10:09 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 10:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-27 0:33 ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 9:33 ` Helge Hafting
2007-07-26 10:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 10:38 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 12:46 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-26 18:05 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27 5:12 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 7:23 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 8:47 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27 8:54 ` Al Viro
2007-07-27 9:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27 9:40 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 10:00 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27 10:25 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 17:45 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-27 18:16 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 19:43 ` david
2007-07-28 7:19 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28 8:55 ` david
2007-07-28 10:11 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28 11:21 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 16:29 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-28 21:03 ` david
2007-07-29 8:11 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 13:12 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 14:07 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 14:58 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 14:59 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 15:20 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 15:36 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 16:04 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 16:59 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:19 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 17:33 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:52 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 19:05 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:53 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 19:33 ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-29 20:00 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 20:18 ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-29 20:23 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 21:06 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 21:00 ` david
2007-07-29 10:09 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 11:41 ` david
2007-07-29 14:01 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 21:19 ` david
2007-08-06 2:14 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-06 2:22 ` david
2007-08-06 9:21 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-06 9:55 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2007-07-28 15:56 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 21:06 ` david
2007-07-28 21:48 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-27 20:28 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 5:19 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 23:15 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-27 23:29 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-28 0:08 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-28 1:10 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-29 12:53 ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-28 7:35 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28 8:51 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 22:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 22:51 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 7:48 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-28 15:36 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-29 1:33 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29 3:39 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 10:20 ` Al Viro
2007-07-26 12:23 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-26 14:59 ` Al Viro
2007-07-11 20:41 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-27 19:19 ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-26 13:05 ` Fredrik Klasson
2007-07-31 16:37 ` [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Matthew Hawkins
2007-08-06 2:11 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 4:46 ` david
2007-07-25 8:00 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 8:07 ` david
2007-07-25 8:29 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 8:31 ` david
2007-07-25 8:33 ` david
2007-07-25 10:58 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 15:55 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:16 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-27 0:28 ` Magnus Naeslund
2007-07-24 5:18 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 6:01 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24 6:10 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 9:38 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-07-25 1:26 ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25 1:35 ` David Miller, Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-24 0:08 ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-11 11:39 ` buffered write patches, " Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-11 17:23 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 12:23 ` lguest, " Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-11 15:45 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-11 18:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12 1:21 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 2:28 ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 2:48 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 2:51 ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 3:15 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 3:35 ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 4:24 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12 4:52 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 11:10 ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-19 17:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-20 3:27 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-20 7:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-12 0:54 ` fault vs invalidate race (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Nick Piggin
2007-07-12 2:31 ` block_page_mkwrite? (Re: fault vs invalidate race (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23)) David Chinner
2007-07-12 2:42 ` Nick Piggin
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