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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: missing madvise functionality
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:07:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4612DE38.1020002@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070403225155.GA26567@one.firstfloor.org>

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Andi Kleen wrote:
> If you know in advance you need them it might be possible to 
> batch that. e.g. MADV_WILLNEED could be extended to
> work on anonymous memory and establish the mappings in the syscall. 
> Would that be useful? 

Not in the exact way you think.  The problem is that not all pages would
be needed right away.  An allocator requests address space from the
kernel in larger chunks and then uses it piece by piece.  The so-far
unused memory remains untouched and therefore not mapped.  It would be
wasteful to allocate all pages.  It would mean the allocator has to
request smaller blocks from the kernel which in turn means more system
calls.

The behavior is also not good for the malloc()'ed blocks.  A large block
might also not be used fully or at least not necessary.

But I definitely could see cases where I would want that functionality.
 For instance, for memory regions which contain only administrative data
and where every page is used right away.  Substituting N page faults for
one madvise call probably is a win.

-- 
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-03 23:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <p73648dz5oa.fsf@bingen.suse.de>
     [not found]   ` <46128CC2.9090809@redhat.com>
     [not found]     ` <20070403172841.GB23689@one.firstfloor.org>
2007-04-03 19:59       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:09         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 20:17         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 20:29           ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-03 20:38             ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:49             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 23:01               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  2:22                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  5:41                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  6:09                     ` [patches] threaded vma patches (was Re: missing madvise functionality) Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04  6:38                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:42                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04  6:44                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:50                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  6:54                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04  7:33                             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  8:25                   ` missing madvise functionality Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-04  8:55                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:12                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04  9:23                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:34                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  9:45                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 10:05                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 11:54                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  2:01                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  6:09                               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  6:19                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-05  6:54                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 23:02               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04  9:15                 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 14:55                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 15:25                     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-05  1:44                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 18:04                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:08                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 20:56                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:39                     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-03 23:44               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 13:09             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 13:38               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 18:51               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05  4:14                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 23:00             ` preemption and rwsems (was: Re: missing madvise functionality) Andrew Morton
2007-04-05  7:31             ` missing madvise functionality Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  7:39               ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  8:32                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 15:47                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  8:08               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  8:31                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  9:06                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  9:45               ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-05 16:15                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 16:10               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-06  2:28                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06  2:52                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-06  2:59                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 12:48             ` preemption and rwsems (was: Re: missing madvise functionality) David Howells
2007-04-05 19:11               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 20:37                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06  9:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:30                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 19:40                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 19:27               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:51           ` missing madvise functionality Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:57             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 21:00             ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:10               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:12                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-03 21:15                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:30                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:22                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:29                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:46                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 22:51                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 23:07                     ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2007-04-03 21:16               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:49             ` Anton Blanchard
2007-04-04  7:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  8:04   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  8:20   ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-04  8:47     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  4:23       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 18:38   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 21:07     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 21:39       ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-06  1:28     ` Nick Piggin

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