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From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: missing madvise functionality
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:10:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4612C2B6.3010302@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4612C059.8070702@redhat.com>

Rik van Riel a A(C)crit :
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
>> Oh.  I was assuming that we'd want to unmap these pages from 
>> pagetables and
>> mark then super-easily-reclaimable.  So a later touch would incur a minor
>> fault.
>>
>> But you think that we should leave them mapped into pagetables so no such
>> fault occurs.
> 
>> Leaving the pages mapped into pagetables means that they are considerably
>> less likely to be reclaimed.
> 
> If we move the pages to a place where they are very likely to be
> reclaimed quickly (end of the inactive list, or a separate
> reclaim list) and clear the dirty and referenced lists, we can
> both reclaim the page easily *and* avoid the page fault penalty.
> 

There is one possible speedup :

- If an user app does a madvise(MADV_DONTNEED), we can assume the pages can 
later be bring back without need to zero them. The application doesnt care.

A page fault is not that expensive. But clearing N*PAGE_SIZE bytes is, because 
it potentially evicts a large part of CPU cache.

If I recall well, mysql bench Ulrich mentioned was allocating/freeing large 
areas (100 Kbytes or so) in a loop.

mmap()/brk() must give fresh NULL pages, but maybe madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) can 
relax this requirement (if the pages were reclaimed, then a page fault could 
bring a new page with random content)

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-03 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <p73648dz5oa.fsf@bingen.suse.de>
     [not found]   ` <46128CC2.9090809@redhat.com>
     [not found]     ` <20070403172841.GB23689@one.firstfloor.org>
2007-04-03 19:59       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:09         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 20:17         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 20:29           ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-03 20:38             ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:49             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 23:01               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  2:22                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  5:41                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  6:09                     ` [patches] threaded vma patches (was Re: missing madvise functionality) Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04  6:38                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:42                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04  6:44                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:50                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  6:54                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04  7:33                             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  8:25                   ` missing madvise functionality Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-04  8:55                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:12                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04  9:23                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:34                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  9:45                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 10:05                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 11:54                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  2:01                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  6:09                               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  6:19                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-05  6:54                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 23:02               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04  9:15                 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 14:55                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 15:25                     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-05  1:44                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 18:04                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:08                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 20:56                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:39                     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-03 23:44               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 13:09             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 13:38               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 18:51               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05  4:14                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 23:00             ` preemption and rwsems (was: Re: missing madvise functionality) Andrew Morton
2007-04-05  7:31             ` missing madvise functionality Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  7:39               ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  8:32                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 15:47                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  8:08               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  8:31                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  9:06                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  9:45               ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-05 16:15                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 16:10               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-06  2:28                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06  2:52                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-06  2:59                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 12:48             ` preemption and rwsems (was: Re: missing madvise functionality) David Howells
2007-04-05 19:11               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 20:37                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06  9:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:30                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 19:40                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 19:27               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:51           ` missing madvise functionality Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:57             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 21:00             ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:10               ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2007-04-03 21:12                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-03 21:15                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:30                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:22                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:29                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:46                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 22:51                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 23:07                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 21:16               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:49             ` Anton Blanchard
2007-04-04  7:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  8:04   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  8:20   ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-04  8:47     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  4:23       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 18:38   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 21:07     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 21:39       ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-06  1:28     ` Nick Piggin

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