From: Andy Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: Page allocator: Single Zone optimizations
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:37:41 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <454A2CE5.6080003@shadowen.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611012155340.29614@skynet.skynet.ie>
Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:26:05 +0000
>> mel@skynet.ie (Mel Gorman) wrote:
>>
>>> I never really got this objection. With list-based anti-frag, the
>>> zone-balancing logic remains the same. There are patches from Andy
>>> Whitcroft that reclaims pages in contiguous blocks, but still with
>>> the same
>>> zone-ordering. It doesn't affect load balancing between zones as such.
>>
>> I do believe that lumpy-reclaim (initiated by Andy, redone and prototyped
>> by Peter, cruelly abandoned) is a perferable approach to solving the
>> fragmentation approach.
>>
Heh, I've talked to Peter and apologised for its apparent abandonment.
In fact the problem is that a huge amount of time has been consumed
papering over the cracks in the last few releases; I for one feel this
has been the most unstable "merge window" we've ever had.
> On it's own lumpy-reclaim or linear-reclaim were not enough to get
> MAX_ORDER_NR_PAGES blocks of contiguous pages and these were of interest
> for huge pages although not necessarily of much use to memory
> hot-unplug. Tests with linear reclaim and lumpy reclaim showed them to
> be marginally (very marginal) better than just using the standard
> allocator and standard reclaim. The clustering by reclaim type (or
> having a separate zone) was still needed.
As Mel indicates a reclaim algorithm change is not enough. Without
thoughtful placement of the non-reclaimable kernel allocations we end up
with no reclaimable blocks regardless of algorithm. Unless we are going
to allow all pages to be reclaimed (which is a massive job of
unthinkable proportions IMO) then we need some kind of placement scheme
to aid reclaim.
To illustrate this I have pulled together some figures from some testing
we have managed to get through. All figures represent the percentage of
overall memory which could be allocated at MAX_ORDER-1 at rest after a
period of high fragmentation activity:
ppc64 x86_64
baseline 9 % 21 %
linear-reclaim-v1 9 % 21 %
linear-reclaim-v1 listbased-v26 59 % 72 %
lumpy-reclaim-v2 11 % 16 %
lumpy-reclaim-v2 listbased-v26 24 % 57 %
Also as a graph at the following URL:
http://www.shadowen.org/~apw/public/reclaim/reclaim-rates.png
The comparison between the baseline and baseline + reclaim algorithm
shows that we gain near nothing with just that change. Bring in the
placement and we see real gains.
I am currently working on a variant of lumpy reclaim to try and bridge
the gap between it and linear without losing its graceful simplicity.
-apw
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Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-10-17 0:50 Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17 1:10 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-17 1:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17 1:27 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-10-17 1:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17 6:04 ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-17 17:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-18 11:15 ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-18 19:38 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-23 23:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-24 1:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-26 22:09 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-26 22:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28 1:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28 2:04 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28 2:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28 2:24 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28 2:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28 4:43 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28 7:47 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-10-28 16:12 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-29 0:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-29 1:04 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-29 1:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-29 11:32 ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-30 16:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 18:26 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 20:34 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 21:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 21:46 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 21:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 22:13 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 23:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 0:22 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-02 0:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 12:45 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 22:10 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 17:37 ` Andy Whitcroft [this message]
2006-11-02 18:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 20:58 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 21:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 21:16 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 21:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 22:37 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 22:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 9:14 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 13:17 ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-03 18:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 19:06 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 19:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 21:11 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 21:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 21:50 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 21:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 22:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 22:19 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-04 0:37 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-04 1:32 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 16:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 16:56 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 17:07 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:12 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-11-06 17:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 17:20 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-07 16:30 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-07 17:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-07 18:14 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-08 0:29 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-11-08 2:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-13 21:08 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 12:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-03 18:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 18:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-03 19:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 18:52 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-02 21:51 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 22:03 ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-02 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 18:13 ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 17:39 ` Mel Gorman
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