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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	ck@vds.kolivas.org, linux list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: limit lowmem_reserve
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:11:33 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <446C1E25.4080408@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200605180011.43216.kernel@kolivas.org>

Con Kolivas wrote:
> I hate to resuscitate this old thread, sorry but I'm still not sure we 
> resolved it and I want to make sure this issue isn't here as I see it.
> 

OK, reclaim is slightly different.

> On Saturday 08 April 2006 11:25, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
>>Con Kolivas wrote:
>>
>>>Ok. I think I presented enough information for why I thought
>>>zone_watermark_ok would fail (for ZONE_DMA). With 16MB ZONE_DMA and a
>>>vmsplit of 3GB we have a lowmem_reserve of 12MB. It's pretty hard to keep
>>>that much ZONE_DMA free, I don't think I've ever seen that much free on
>>>my ZONE_DMA on an ordinary desktop without any particular ZONE_DMA users.
>>>Changing the tunable can make the lowmem_reserve larger than ZONE_DMA is
>>>on any vmsplit too as far as I understand the ratio.
>>
>>Umm, for ZONE_DMA allocations, ZONE_DMA isn't a lower zone. So that
>>12MB protection should never come into it (unless it is buggy?).
> 
> 
> An i386 pc with a 3GB split will have approx
> 
> 4000 pages ZONE_DMA
> 
> and lowmem reserve will set lowmem reserve to approx
> 
> 0 0 3000 3000
> 
> So if we call zone_watermark_ok with zone of ZONE_DMA and a classzone_idx of a 
> ZONE_NORMAL we will fail a zone_watermark_ok test almost always since it's 
> almost impossible to have 3000 free ZONE_DMA pages. I believe it can happen 
> like this:
> 
> In balance_pgdat (vmscan.c:1116) if we end up with end_zone being a 
> ZONE_NORMAL zone, then during the scan below we (vmscan.c:1137) iterate over 
> all zones from 0 to end_zone and (vmscan.c:1147) we end up calling
> 
> if (!zone_watermark_ok(zone, order, zone->pages_high, end_zone, 0))
> 
> which would now call zone_watermark_ok with zone being a ZONE_DMA, and 
> end_zone being the idx of a ZONE_NORMAL.
> 
> So in summary if I'm not mistaken (and I'm good at being mistaken), if we 
> balance pgdat and find that ZONE_NORMAL or higher needs scanning, we'll end 
> up trying to flush the crap out of ZONE_DMA.

If we're under memory pressure, kswapd will try to free up any candidate
zone, yes.

> 
> On my test case this indeed happens and my ZONE_DMA never goes below 3000
> pages free. If I lower the reserve even further my pages free gets stuck at
> 3208 and can't free any more, and doesn't ever drop below that either.
> 
> Here is the patch I was proposing

What problem does that fix though?

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-18  7:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200604021401.13331.kernel@kolivas.org>
     [not found] ` <200604031248.13532.kernel@kolivas.org>
     [not found]   ` <200604041235.59876.kernel@kolivas.org>
2006-04-06  1:10     ` Con Kolivas
2006-04-06  1:29       ` Respin: " Con Kolivas
2006-04-06  2:43         ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-06  2:55           ` Con Kolivas
2006-04-06  2:58             ` Con Kolivas
2006-04-06  3:40               ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-06  4:36                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-04-06  4:52                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-04-07  6:25       ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-07  9:02         ` Con Kolivas
2006-04-07 12:40           ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-08  0:15             ` Con Kolivas
2006-04-08  0:55               ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-08  1:01                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-04-08  1:25                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-17 14:11                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18  7:11                       ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-05-18  7:21                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18  7:26                           ` Nick Piggin

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