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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, npiggin@suse.de,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Lockless page cache test results
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:54:34 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4451A00A.2030606@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0604270804420.3701@g5.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
>>>Of course, with small files, the actual filename lookup is likely to be the
>>>real limiter.
>>
>>Although that's lockless so it scales. find_get_page will overtake it
>>at some point.
> 
> 
> filename lookup is only lockless for independent files. You end up getting 
> the "dentry->d_lock" for a successful lookup in the lookup path, so if you 
> have multiple threads looking up the same files (or - MUCH more commonly - 
> directories), you're not going to be lockless.

Oh that's true, I forgot. So the many small files case will often have
as much d_lock activity as tree_lock.

> 
> I don't know how we could improve it. I've several times thought that we 
> _should_ be able to do the directory lookups under the rcu read lock and 
> never touch their d_count or d_lock at all, but the locking against 
> directory renaming depends very intimately on d_lock.
> 
> It is _possible_ that we should be able to handle it purely with just 
> memory ordering rather than depending on d_lock. That would be wonderful.
> 
> Of course, we do actually scale pretty damn well already. I'm just saying 
> that it's not perfect.
> 
> See __d_lookup() for details.

Yes I see. Perhaps a seqlock could do the trick (hmm, there already is one),
however we still have to increment the refcount, so there'll always be a
shared cacheline.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-28  4:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-26 13:53 Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 14:43 ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-26 19:46   ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  5:39     ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-04-27  6:07       ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27  6:15       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-27  7:51         ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-04-26 16:55 ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-26 17:42   ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 18:10     ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-26 18:23       ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 18:46         ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-26 19:21           ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  5:58           ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-26 18:34       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-26 18:47         ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-26 18:48           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-26 18:49           ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 20:31             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-28 14:01               ` David Chinner
2006-04-28 14:10                 ` David Chinner
2006-04-30  9:49                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-30 11:20                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-30 11:39                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-30 11:44                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-26 18:58       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-26 19:02         ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 19:00       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-26 19:15         ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 20:12           ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-27  7:45             ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  7:47               ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  7:57               ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27  8:02                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27  9:00                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27 13:36                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27  8:36                 ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]             ` <20060428112835.GA8072@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-04-28 11:28               ` Wu Fengguang
2006-04-27  5:49         ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27 15:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-28  4:54             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-04-28  5:34               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-27  9:35         ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  5:22       ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-26 18:57     ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  2:19       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-04-27  8:03         ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27 11:16           ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27 11:41             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-04-27 11:45               ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-28  9:10 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-28  9:21   ` Jens Axboe

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