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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Liang Li <liliangleo@didiglobal.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 PATCH 4/4] mm: pre zero out free pages to speed up page allocation for __GFP_ZERO
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:11:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43576DAD-8A3B-4691-8808-90C5FDCF03B7@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a5ba7bdf-8510-d0a0-9c22-ec1b81019982@intel.com>


> Am 04.01.2021 um 20:52 schrieb Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>:
> 
> On 1/4/21 11:27 AM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 11:19:13AM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
>>> On 12/21/20 8:30 AM, Liang Li wrote:
>>>> --- a/include/linux/page-flags.h
>>>> +++ b/include/linux/page-flags.h
>>>> @@ -137,6 +137,9 @@ enum pageflags {
>>>> #endif
>>>> #ifdef CONFIG_64BIT
>>>>    PG_arch_2,
>>>> +#endif
>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_PREZERO_PAGE
>>>> +    PG_zero,
>>>> #endif
>>>>    __NR_PAGEFLAGS,
>>> 
>>> I don't think this is worth a generic page->flags bit.
>>> 
>>> There's a ton of space in 'struct page' for pages that are in the
>>> allocator.  Can't we use some of that space?
>> 
>> I was going to object to that too, but I think the entire approach is
>> flawed and needs to be thrown out.  It just nukes the caches in extremely
>> subtle and hard to measure ways, lowering overall system performance.
> 
> Yeah, it certainly can't be the default, but it *is* useful for thing
> where we know that there are no cache benefits to zeroing close to where
> the memory is allocated.
> 
> The trick is opting into it somehow, either in a process or a VMA.
> 

The patch set is mostly trying to optimize starting a new process. So process/vma doesn‘t really work.

I still wonder if using tmpfs/shmem cannot somehow be used to cover the original use case of starting a new vm fast (or rebooting an existing one involving restarting the process).



  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-04 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-21 16:30 Liang Li
2021-01-04 19:19 ` Dave Hansen
2021-01-04 19:27   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-01-04 19:44     ` Dan Williams
2021-01-04 19:51     ` Dave Hansen
2021-01-04 20:11       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2021-01-04 22:29         ` Dan Williams
2021-01-04 23:00         ` Dave Hansen
2021-01-05  9:20           ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-05  9:29             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-01-05  9:39               ` Liang Li
2021-01-05  9:56               ` Michal Hocko

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