From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from kanga.kvack.org (kanga.kvack.org [205.233.56.17]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B0CC433F5 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 20:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) id 91D0B6B0071; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 40) id 8CC8E6B0072; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:17:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: int-list-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 63042) id 76D5F6B0074; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:17:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: linux-mm@kvack.org Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (relay.hostedemail.com [64.99.140.27]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A4C6B0071 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpin12.hostedemail.com (a10.router.float.18 [10.200.18.1]) by unirelay11.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A6D819F8 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 20:17:38 +0000 (UTC) X-FDA: 79273132596.12.484F206 Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by imf22.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8A3C001F for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 20:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8B65C06F1; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap46 ([10.202.2.96]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:17:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=n3yPUYwvIUbcuPbh5 mzepewrf3BiHckm52gaGhvqPhQ=; b=maxLBh/Kwfjjo6a20QyBvTB1GrJ2SPA41 LXX0y3FH+72DEBIFNUXdIp0qNs/QoKIZSNpyEjmiod+lRb1YAA0SfQrxP3uE4g8C z7k42bhWSgOFJm/T1+IZPksAyhSwnieu65ySmqfWISb+A4n7kR0Kd4syAyq1l+3C EjZuHNJOxqxKbEHGDOQWLTl9JB0qOKVimHKwFJwuBsogVrMKuq0Z40mE7NvMjibT a51s7RC2MQKgLPCCMeVQZHp2GXIGutzj+zAIfVM2Z8VpPK4+967jxrWquSeM2U6e 0ylvkl/ulJbQFhn05xetlVE/a3CGorpdMI1ZB//fpBYMwMuL7CbJw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvvddrudeghedgudeffecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfveho lhhinhcuhggrlhhtvghrshdfuceofigrlhhtvghrshesvhgvrhgsuhhmrdhorhhgqeenuc ggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeehffetudevkeejtdegledtjeeffeevledtheeiteefudefgfel tedufeeitedtueenucffohhmrghinheprhgvughhrghtrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrh fuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepfigrlhhtvghrshesvhgvrhgs uhhmrdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 90E621EE007B; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:17:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-4907-g25ce6f34a9-fm-20220311.001-g25ce6f34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <42d92c6f-28f2-459b-bc2a-13dd655dd4ae@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20220316025223.GR661808@dread.disaster.area> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:17:16 -0400 From: "Colin Walters" To: "James Bottomley" , "Matthew Wilcox" , "Dave Chinner" Cc: "Roman Gushchin" , "Stephen Brennan" , lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, "Gautham Ananthakrishna" , khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru Subject: Re: [LSF/MM TOPIC] Better handling of negative dentries Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Server: rspam06 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7A8A3C001F X-Stat-Signature: 5xz1e7ueehjdkidioco5ezwroqykjqrr X-Rspam-User: Authentication-Results: imf22.hostedemail.com; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b="maxLBh/K"; dmarc=none; spf=none (imf22.hostedemail.com: domain of walters@verbum.org has no SPF policy when checking 66.111.4.28) smtp.mailfrom=walters@verbum.org X-HE-Tag: 1647980257-494834 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, at 3:19 PM, James Bottomley wrote: > > Well, firstly what is the exact problem? People maliciously looking up > nonexistent files Maybe most people have seen it, but for those who haven't: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1571183 was definitely one of those things that just makes one recoil in horror. TL;DR NSS used to have code that tried to detect "is this a network filesystem" by timing `stat()` calls to nonexistent paths, and this massively boated the negative dentry cache and caused all sorts of performance problems. It was particularly confusing because this would just happen as a side effect of e.g. executing `curl https://somewebsite`. That code wasn't *intentionally* malicious but...