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From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	willy@infradead.org, Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	riel@surriel.com, Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>, Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	Frank van der Linden <fvdl@google.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Beyond 2MB: Why Terabyte-Scale Machines Need 1GB Transparent Huge Pages
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:08:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42CCC4AB-EE32-4279-BB50-EE72756B5137@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aZ318PoxdAZjqnLX@cmpxchg.org>

On 24 Feb 2026, at 14:03, Johannes Weiner wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 19, 2026 at 03:53:35PM +0000, Usama Arif wrote:
>> Why 1G THP over hugetlbfs?
>> ==========================
>
> I know this isn't your intention, but one interesting aspect of
> supporting PUD mapped folios natively is that it could open the door
> to simplifying hugetlb as well.
>
> We currently have all kinds of huge_vma checks scattered over the page
> table code, and entirely parallel paths for unmapping etc. With native
> PUD mappings, this could allow pushing the special casing out of the
> virtual memory layer and into where we deal with the page objects.
>
> You might be able to take it as far as the only thing left of hugetlb
> is the reservation pool. Such that a naive application does mmap() as
> per usual, and it comes down to a separate allocation policy how the
> backing pages are served (buddy, CMA, boot-time reservations, ...)
>
> Approaching it this way could help separate out the discussion on code
> impact and tech debt of PUD mappings, from the allocation technique
> question, which in itself is a fairly large topic.

I agree with this 100%. Adding 1GB folio support first, we then can think
about what other THP features, e.g., split, migration, PMD/PTE mapping, are
really needed and add them one by one. It is also going to be a good way
of retiring hugetlb special code.

Best Regards,
Yan, Zi


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-24 19:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-19 15:53 Usama Arif
2026-02-19 16:00 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-19 16:48   ` Johannes Weiner
2026-02-19 16:52     ` Zi Yan
2026-02-19 17:08       ` Johannes Weiner
2026-02-19 17:09         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-19 17:09       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-19 16:49   ` Zi Yan
2026-02-19 17:13     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-19 17:28       ` Zi Yan
2026-02-19 19:02 ` Rik van Riel
2026-02-20 10:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-24 19:03 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-02-24 19:08   ` Zi Yan [this message]
2026-02-24 20:35     ` Matthew Wilcox

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