From: Chris Ross <chris@tebibyte.org>
To: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>,
Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@sgi.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:27:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <419BDE53.1030003@tebibyte.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041117195417.A3289@almesberger.net>
Werner Almesberger escreveu:
> A process could declare itself as usual suspect. This would then be
> recorded as a per-task flag, to be inherited by children.
I don't think this "I know I'm buggy, please kill me" flag is the right
approach even if it can be made to work. The operating system has an
overview of all the memory and can see when a particular process is
basically making the machine unusable. It's quite likely that the
process causing the trouble doesn't know (or hasn't admitted) that it's
buggy and hasn't volunteered for early termination. As this means the
kernel must be able to deal with a problematic process completely
irrespective of whether it has set "kill me" flag or not the flag
doesn't really buy you anything.
It is also specific to runaway processes that are clearly at fault.
There is the related case where no particular process is faulty as such
but the system as a whole can't cope with the demands being made.
On a related note, I would prefer to see victim processes who are not
determined to be the cause of the trouble swapped out (i.e. *all* their
pages pushed out to swap) and suspended (not allowed to run) as a first
resort. The example I have in mind is on my machine when the daily cron
run over commits causing standard daemons such as ntpd to be killed to
make room. It would be preferable if the daemon was swapped out and just
didn't run for minutes, or even hours if need be, but was allowed to run
again once the system had settled down.
Of course, from recent discussion the system should not actually be
killing off these daemons at all but that does seem to be resolved now.
There are circumstances when there simply isn't enough RAM and swapping
something out is preferable to killing it off. Of course, if there isn't
sufficient swap space killing it should be the second resort. The last
resort being panic.
So, the problem breaks down into three parts:
i) When should the oom killer be invoked.
ii) How do we pick a victim process
iii) How can we deal with the process in the most useful manner
Regards,
Chris R.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-11-17 23:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-11-05 20:01 Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-05 23:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-05 23:47 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-06 1:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 1:26 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-06 1:36 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-06 1:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 9:47 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-06 10:53 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-06 15:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 16:21 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10 6:02 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-06 11:37 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 15:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 16:54 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 17:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 19:24 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-07 1:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 10:11 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 1:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-06 10:28 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-17 22:54 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-17 23:27 ` Chris Ross [this message]
2004-11-18 0:04 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18 0:28 ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18 1:14 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18 8:20 ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18 10:01 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18 14:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-18 15:10 ` Chris Friesen
2004-11-06 10:05 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 15:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-06 17:09 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-07 0:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-07 11:21 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 12:53 ` [PATCH] Remove OOM killer Andries Brouwer
2004-11-06 10:41 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-07 9:26 ` Marko Macek
2004-11-08 16:27 ` [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage Marcelo Tosatti
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