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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Wenchao Hao <haowenchao22@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Add AnonZero accounting for zero-filled anonymous pages
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 21:29:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <419053a2-9784-4051-b73e-5871d3c32be9@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOptpSP1zx1akeGkZEuPBx1Fk8uz8rs4_m5c55GwPUROmCGxKg@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/17/26 16:22, Wenchao Hao wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2026 at 4:45 PM Wenchao Hao <haowenchao22@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Add kernel command line option "count_zero_page" to track anonymous pages
>> have been allocated and mapped to userspace but zero-filled.
>>
>> This feature is mainly used to debug large folio mechanism, which
>> pre-allocates and map more pages than actually needed, leading to memory
>> waste from unaccessed pages.
>>
>> Export the result in /proc/pid/smaps as "AnonZero" field.
>>
>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260210043456.2137482-1-haowenchao22@gmail.com/
> 
> Sorry for the late reply. We are now on Chinese New Year holiday, so...
> 
> The original goal of this patch is to measure memory waste from anonymous
> THPs - pages pre-allocated on fault but never accessed.
> 
> On memory-sensitive devices like mobile phones, this helps us make better
> decisions about when and how to enable THP. I think this is useful for
> guiding THP policies, even as a debugging feature.
> 
> Let me summarize the discussion so far:
> - Matthew Wilcox questioned the value and raised concerns fork but haven't
>    exec path
> - Michal Hocko criticized the inefficiency of scanning zero-filled pages.
> - Kiryl Shutsemau prefers a system-call-based interface.
> - David Hildenbrand acknowledged the value and suggested implementation
>    improvements.
> Please correct me if I missed or misrepresented anything.
> 
> I suggest we first agree whether this functionality is useful for upstream,
> before discussing implementation details.
> 
> Reasons why this should go upstream from me:
> 
> - Anonymous THP can introduce real memory waste, but we currently have no
>    good way to measure it.
> - With accurate metrics, we can make better THP policy: disable for
>    low-utilization cases, or early-unmap to relieve memory pressure and so
>    on. This is especially valuable for mobile/embedded devices.
> 
> Possible implementations:
> 
> 1. A new smaps counter (default-off) to count zero-filled pages.
> 2. A new madvise command like MADV_GET_ZEROPAGE
> 3. A dedicated system call

I understand Kiyls point about smaps providing too much information 
users might not be interested in already. So sorting that out might 
provide a real benefit to other users that are only interested in 
specific stats (e.g., Rss).

Providing a system call where one can specify/filter in theory sounds 
like a good idea. A syscall implies that one has to write a tool to 
obtain these metrics.

The nice thing about smaps/smaps_rollup is that it can be easily 
consumed on any system while debugging.

I wonder if there could be a way to achieve something similar with a 
file. Likely not, but maybe someone reading along can surprise me :)

Otherwise we'd have to go with a tool.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-17 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-14  8:45 Wenchao Hao
2026-02-16 11:34 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-16 11:45   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 11:58     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-16 12:19       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 15:59       ` Wenchao Hao
2026-02-16 16:42         ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-16 16:56           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 17:10             ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-16 17:17               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 16:54         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-16 17:01           ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-16 17:10             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 17:18             ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-16 12:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 15:10   ` Wenchao Hao
2026-02-16 15:18     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 14:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-16 15:55   ` Wenchao Hao
2026-02-16 17:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-17 15:22 ` Wenchao Hao
2026-02-17 20:29   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-02-17 21:53     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19  2:11       ` Wenchao Hao
2026-02-18  7:52   ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-19  2:47     ` Wenchao Hao

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