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From: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>
Cc: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@sgi.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:26:57 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <418C2861.6030501@cyberone.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041106012018.GT8229@dualathlon.random>


Andrea Arcangeli wrote:

>On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 03:32:50PM -0800, Jesse Barnes wrote:
>
>>On Friday, November 05, 2004 12:01 pm, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>>
>>>In my opinion the correct approach is to trigger the OOM killer
>>>when kswapd is unable to free pages. Once that is done, the number
>>>of tasks inside page reclaim is irrelevant.
>>>
>>That makes sense.
>>
>
>I don't like it, kswapd may fail balancing because there's a GFP_DMA
>allocation that eat the last dma page, but we should not kill tasks if
>we fail to balance in kswapd, we should kill tasks only when no fail
>path exists (i.e. only during page faults, everything else in the kernel
>has a fail path and it should never trigger oom).
>
>If you move it in kswapd there's no way to prevent oom-killing from a
>syscall allocation (I guess even right now it would go wrong in this
>sense, but at least right now it's more fixable). I want to move the oom
>kill outside the alloc_page paths. The oom killing is all about the page
>faults not having a fail path, and in turn the oom killing should be
>moved in the page fault code, not in the allocator. Everything else
>should keep returning -ENOMEM to the caller.
>
>

Probably a good idea. OTOH, some kernel allocations might really
need to be performed and have no failure path. For example __GFP_REPEAT.

I think maybe __GFP_REPEAT allocations at least should be able to
cause an OOM. Not sure though.

>So to me moving the oom killer into kswapd looks a regression.
>
>
>

Also, I think it would do the wrong thing on NUMA machines because
that has a per-node kswapd.

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-06  1:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-05 20:01 Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-05 23:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-05 23:47   ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-06  1:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06  1:26     ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-11-06  1:36       ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-06  1:50       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06  9:47         ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-06 10:53           ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-06 15:29             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:29           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 16:21             ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10  6:02               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-06 11:37         ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 15:32           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 16:54             ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 17:44               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 19:24                 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-07  1:16                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 10:11       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06  1:55     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-06 10:28       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-17 22:54       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-17 23:27         ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18  0:04           ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18  0:28             ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18  1:14               ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18  8:20                 ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18 10:01                   ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18 14:44                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-18 15:10                       ` Chris Friesen
2004-11-06 10:05     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 15:44       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:52         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-06 17:09         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-07  0:48           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-07 11:21             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 12:53 ` [PATCH] Remove OOM killer Andries Brouwer
2004-11-06 10:41   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-07  9:26   ` Marko Macek
2004-11-08 16:27 ` [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage Marcelo Tosatti

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