From: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>
Cc: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@sgi.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:26:57 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <418C2861.6030501@cyberone.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041106012018.GT8229@dualathlon.random>
Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
>On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 03:32:50PM -0800, Jesse Barnes wrote:
>
>>On Friday, November 05, 2004 12:01 pm, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>>
>>>In my opinion the correct approach is to trigger the OOM killer
>>>when kswapd is unable to free pages. Once that is done, the number
>>>of tasks inside page reclaim is irrelevant.
>>>
>>That makes sense.
>>
>
>I don't like it, kswapd may fail balancing because there's a GFP_DMA
>allocation that eat the last dma page, but we should not kill tasks if
>we fail to balance in kswapd, we should kill tasks only when no fail
>path exists (i.e. only during page faults, everything else in the kernel
>has a fail path and it should never trigger oom).
>
>If you move it in kswapd there's no way to prevent oom-killing from a
>syscall allocation (I guess even right now it would go wrong in this
>sense, but at least right now it's more fixable). I want to move the oom
>kill outside the alloc_page paths. The oom killing is all about the page
>faults not having a fail path, and in turn the oom killing should be
>moved in the page fault code, not in the allocator. Everything else
>should keep returning -ENOMEM to the caller.
>
>
Probably a good idea. OTOH, some kernel allocations might really
need to be performed and have no failure path. For example __GFP_REPEAT.
I think maybe __GFP_REPEAT allocations at least should be able to
cause an OOM. Not sure though.
>So to me moving the oom killer into kswapd looks a regression.
>
>
>
Also, I think it would do the wrong thing on NUMA machines because
that has a per-node kswapd.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-11-06 1:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-11-05 20:01 Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-05 23:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-05 23:47 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-06 1:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 1:26 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-11-06 1:36 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-06 1:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 9:47 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-06 10:53 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-06 15:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 16:21 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10 6:02 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-06 11:37 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 15:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 16:54 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 17:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 19:24 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-07 1:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 10:11 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 1:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-06 10:28 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-17 22:54 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-17 23:27 ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18 0:04 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18 0:28 ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18 1:14 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18 8:20 ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18 10:01 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18 14:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-18 15:10 ` Chris Friesen
2004-11-06 10:05 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 15:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-06 17:09 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-07 0:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-07 11:21 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 12:53 ` [PATCH] Remove OOM killer Andries Brouwer
2004-11-06 10:41 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-07 9:26 ` Marko Macek
2004-11-08 16:27 ` [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage Marcelo Tosatti
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