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From: Ray Bryant <raybry@sgi.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	riel@redhat.com, piggin@cyberone.com.au, mbligh@aracnet.com
Subject: Re: swapping and the value of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:35:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <413F5EE7.6050705@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040908165412.GB4284@logos.cnet>


Marcelo Tosatti wrote:

> 
> 
> Huh, that changes the meaning of the dirty limits. Dont think its suitable
> for mainline.
> 
> 

The change is, in fact, not much different from what is already actually 
there.  The code in get_dirty_limits() adjusts the value of the user supplied 
parameters in /proc/sys/vm depending on how much mapped memory there is.  If 
you undo the convoluted arithmetic that is in there, one finds that if you are 
using the default dirty_ratio of 40%, then if the unmapped_ratio is between 
80% and 10%, then

    dirty_ratio = unmapped_ratio / 2;

and, a little bit of algebra later:

    dirty = (total_pages - wbs->nr_mapped)/2

and

    background = dirty_background_ratio/vm_background_ratio * (total_pages
	- wbs->nr_mapped)

That is, for a wide range of memory usage, you are really running with an
dirty ratio of 50% stated in terms of the number of unmapped pages, and there 
is no direct way to override this.

Of course, at the edges, the code changes these calculations.  It just seems 
to me that rather than continue the convoluted calculation that is in
get_dirty_limits(), we just make the outcome more explicit and tell the user
what is really going on.

We'd still have to figure out how to encourage a minimum page cache size of
some kind, which is what I understand the 5% min value for dirty_ratio is in 
there for.

-- 
Best Regards,
Ray
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-08 19:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-06 19:11 Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 20:10 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 21:22   ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 21:36     ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 22:37     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 23:51       ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-07  0:31         ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-06 22:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-06 23:09 ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-06 23:27   ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-06 23:34     ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07  0:03       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-07  1:34         ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07 10:38         ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-07 10:56           ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-08 16:45             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09  1:12               ` Con Kolivas
2004-09-07 17:03           ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-07 21:20         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08  2:18           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 14:20           ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 16:54             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-08 19:35               ` Ray Bryant [this message]
2004-09-08 19:30                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09  3:06                   ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09  2:14                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-09-09 14:21                       ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09  3:09                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 14:16                       ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-09 17:23                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-28  1:54                       ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-28  3:36                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-29  0:36                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-29  4:23                             ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-30 17:15                             ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 17:31             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 18:04               ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-08 19:50                 ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 21:10                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 21:55                     ` Diego Calleja
2004-09-08 22:20                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 23:22                         ` Rik van Riel
2004-09-08 22:28                     ` Alan Cox
2004-09-08 23:42                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-09-08 19:54               ` Ray Bryant
2004-09-08 15:19           ` Ray Bryant

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