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From: hui.zhu@linux.dev
To: "Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: "Roman Gushchin" <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Shakeel Butt" <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	"Muchun Song" <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
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	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
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	"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
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	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, "Hui Zhu" <zhuhui@kylinos.cn>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] Memory Controller eBPF support
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2025 08:51:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <412806a9d1ba8269376f9b227b960d52542f2453@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aSckUNAfVokeC_2F@tiehlicka>

2025年11月27日 00:01, "Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com mailto:mhocko@suse.com?to=%22Michal%20Hocko%22%20%3Cmhocko%40suse.com%3E > 写到:


> 
> On Wed 26-11-25 03:05:32, hui.zhu@linux.dev wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 2025年11月25日 20:55, "Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com mailto:mhocko@suse.com?to=%22Michal%20Hocko%22%20%3Cmhocko%40suse.com%3E > 写到:
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  On Tue 25-11-25 12:39:11, hui.zhu@linux.dev wrote:
> >  
> >  > 
> >  > My goal is implement dynamic memory reclamation for memcgs without limits,
> >  > triggered by specific conditions.
> >  > 
> >  > For instance, with memcg A and memcg B both unlimited, when memcg A faces
> >  > high PSI pressure, ebpf control memcg B do some memory reclaim work when
> >  > it try charge.
> >  > 
> >  Understood. Please also think whether this is already possible with
> >  existing interfaces and if not what are roadblocks in that direction.
> >  
> >  I think it's possible to implement a userspace program using the existing
> >  PSI userspace interfaces and the control interfaces provided by memcg to
> >  accomplish this task.
> >  However, this approach has several limitations:
> >  the entire process depends on the continuous execution of the userspace
> >  program, response latency is higher, and we cannot perform fine-grained
> >  operations on target memcg.
> > 
> I will need to back these arguments by some actual numbers.

Agree – I’ll implement a PoC show it.

Best,
Hui

> 
> > 
> > Now that Roman has provided PSI eBPF functionality at
> >  https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20251027231727.472628-1-roman.gushchin@linux.dev/
> >  Maybe we could add eBPF support to memcg as well, allowing us to implement
> >  the entire functionality directly in the kernel through eBPF.
> > 
> His usecase is very specific to OOM handling and we have agreed that
> this specific usecase is really tricky to achieve from userspace. I
> haven't see sound arguments for this usecase yet.
> -- 
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
>


      reply	other threads:[~2025-11-27  8:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-19  1:34 Hui Zhu
2025-11-19  1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] memcg: add eBPF struct ops support for memory charging Hui Zhu
2025-11-19  2:10   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-11-19 16:07   ` Tejun Heo
2025-11-19  1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] selftests/bpf: add memcg eBPF struct ops test Hui Zhu
2025-11-19  2:19   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-11-19  1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] samples/bpf: add example memcg eBPF program Hui Zhu
2025-11-19  2:19   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-11-20  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Memory Controller eBPF support Roman Gushchin
2025-11-20  9:29   ` hui.zhu
2025-11-20 19:20     ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-21  2:46       ` hui.zhu
2025-11-25 12:12         ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-25 12:39           ` hui.zhu
2025-11-25 12:55             ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-26  3:05               ` hui.zhu
2025-11-26 16:01                 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-27  8:51                   ` hui.zhu [this message]

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