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The whole "move out of memory" "move into memory" here is quite confusing TBH. We're not moving anything, we're optimizing out the move completely ... yes, you could call it compression (below). >> >>> >>> I'm leaning towards Barry's side on the fixes tag. >> >> I think the documentation when to use the Fixes: tag is pretty clear. >> >> Introducing new counters can hardly be considered a bugfix. Missing to adjust some counters that *existing tools* would know/use might be  IMO (below). >> >>>  When zswap handled >>> the same-filled pages, we would count them in zswpin/out. From a user >>> POV, especially one using zswap, the behavior didn't change, but the >>> counts giving insight into this (potentially significant) VM activity >>> disappeared. This is arguably a regression. >>>>> swpout_zero >>>>     Portion of "pswout" pages for which I/O was optimized out >>>>     because the page content was detected to be zero. >>> >>> Are we sure we want to commit to the "zero" in the name here? Until >>> very recently, zswap optimized all same-filled pages. It's possible >>> somebody might want to bring that back down the line. >> >> Agreed. >> >>> >>> In reference to the above, I'd actually prefer putting them back into >>> zswpin/zswpout. Sure, they're not handled by zswap.c proper, but this >>> is arguably just an implementation detail; from a user POV this is >>> still just (a form of) compression in lieu of IO to the swap backend. >>> >>> IMO there is no need for coming up with a separate category. Just add >>> them to zswpin/zswpout and remove the CONFIG_ZSWAP guards from them? >> > > hmm, I actually don't like the idea of using zswpin/zswpout. Its a > bit confusing if zswap is disabled and zswap counters are incrementing? > > Also, it means that when zswap is enabled, you won't be able to distinguish > between zswap and zeropage optimization. Does it matter? Because in the past the same would have happened, no (back when this was done in zswap code)? -- Cheers, David / dhildenb