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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: Mapping vmalloc pages to userspace
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:48:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <405cc972-05c0-428a-afec-801ae4486ccb@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z1MmIYZAvj1rE2Fn@casper.infradead.org>

On 06.12.24 17:28, Matthew Wilcox wrote:

Sorry for the late reply, interesting topic.

> Today we have a very useful helper, remap_vmalloc_range() (and _partial())
> which lets drivers call vmalloc(), then map that memory to userspace.
> It does so using vm_insert_page() which ends up calling folio_get() and
> folio_add_file_rmap_pte(), so jiggling both the refcount and the mapcount.
 > > As you all know by now, we're looking to eliminate both mapcount and
> refcount from struct page.  I have four options for consideration, some
> of which I like more than others.
> 
> 1. We could introduce a vmalloc memdesc that has a per-page mapcount and
> refcount.  This seems like unnecessarily high overhead for a precision
> of tracking that is, perhaps, not warranted.

Especially the mapcount is probably of no use at all here. As discussed 
with Lorenzo recently, I assume we only perform this in vm_insert_page() 
because there is (was) no easy way to distinguish these pages on the zap 
path to *not* decrement the refcounts.

With memdescs that would be easy (late: no folio -> no mapcount changes)

> 
> 2. We could do no tracking at all of vmalloc pages.  Insert the PFNs
> of the allocated pages and rely on the driver to track everything
> correctly, not freeing the vmalloc allocation until the mmap has been
> torn down.  This implies not supporting GUP.  This option feels risky to
> me; we're depending on device driver writers to get this right, and if
> they get it wrong, it's quite the UAF hole; letting an attacker get
> access to pages which could be allocated to any purpose.

Fully agreed.

> 
> 3. Embed a refcount into struct vm_struct.  We can support GUP if we want.
> Calling GUP bumps the refcount on the entire struct.  When the refcount
> hits zero, we free the entire allocation.  There's no need for a mapcount
> or pincount because we don't need to distinguish between temporary and
> longterm gups.

The pincount+mapcount should be specific to folios, agreed.

 > > 4. Introduce an indirection structure between the page and 
vm_struct which
> contains the refcount.
> 
> 
> I'm most in favour of #3, but there's probably ramifications I haven't
> considered.

I wonder if #1 only with the refcount would be doable. Maybe to a 
vmalloc memdesc, but a more generic kmem memdesc.

Because for "oridnary" pages that a driver allocated I suspect we might 
want to do the same.

But #3 sounds interesting as well. In any case, we'll have to teach 
vm_normal_page() users that blindly assume that they get a folio, that 
they could get something different instead. Using memdescs for that 
sounds reasonable.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



      parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-10 19:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-06 16:28 Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-06 21:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-10 19:48 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]

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