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From: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
To: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:03:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3nxcy7zshqxmjia7y6cyajeoclcxizkrhhsitji5ujbafbvhlu@7hqs6uodor56> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABi2SkVKhjShryG0K-NSjjBvGs0UOVsY-6MQVOuQCkfuph5K8Q@mail.gmail.com>

* Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> [250224 13:44]:
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:21 AM Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2/24/25 09:45, jeffxu@chromium.org wrote:
> > > +/*
> > > + * mseal of userspace process's system mappings.
> > > + */
> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS
> > > +#define MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS_VM_FLAG        VM_SEALED
> > > +#else
> > > +#define MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS_VM_FLAG        VM_NONE
> > > +#endif
> >
> > This ends up looking pretty wonky in practice:
> >
> > > +     vm_flags = VM_READ|VM_MAYREAD|VM_IO|VM_DONTDUMP|VM_PFNMAP;
> > > +     vm_flags |= MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS_VM_FLAG;
> >
> > because MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS_VM_FLAG is so much different from the
> > other ones.
> >
> > Would it really hurt to have
> >
> >  #ifdef CONFIG_64BIT
> >  /* VM is sealed, in vm_flags */
> >  #define VM_SEALED       _BITUL(63)
> > +#else
> > +#define VM_SEALED       VM_NONE
> >  #endif
> >
> > ?
> >
> VM_SEALED isn't defined in 32-bit systems, and mseal.c isn't part of
> the build. This is intentional. Any 32-bit code trying to use the
> sealing function or the VM_SEALED flag will immediately fail
> compilation. This makes it easier to identify incorrect usage.
> 

The reason that two #defines are needed is because you can have mseal
enabled while not sealing system mappings, so for this to be clean we
need two defines.

However MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS_VM_FLAG, is _way_ too long, in my opinion.
Keeping with "VM_SEALED" I'd suggest "VM_SYSTEM_SEALED".

> For example:
> Consider the case below in src/third_party/kernel/v6.6/fs/proc/task_mmu.c,

third_party?

> 
> #ifdef CONFIG_64BIT
> [ilog2(VM_SEALED)] = "sl",
> #endif
> 
> Redefining VM_SEALED  to VM_NONE for 32 bit won't detect the problem
> in case that  "#ifdef CONFIG_64BIT" line is missing.

I don't think it is reasonable to insist on doing things differently in
the kernel because you have external tests that would need updating.
These things can change independently, so I don't think this is a valid
argument.

If these are upstream tests, and we need these tests to work then they
can be fixed.

> 
> Please note, this has been like this since the first version of
> mseal() RFC patch, and I prefer to keep it this way.

Thanks,
Liam


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-24 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-24 17:45 [PATCH v6 0/7] mseal system mappings jeffxu
2025-02-24 17:45 ` [PATCH v6 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change jeffxu
2025-02-24 18:21   ` Dave Hansen
2025-02-24 18:44     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 18:52       ` Dave Hansen
2025-02-24 18:55         ` Kees Cook
2025-02-24 18:59           ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 19:02           ` Dave Hansen
2025-02-24 19:10           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-24 19:22             ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 19:32               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-24 19:33                 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 19:26             ` Kees Cook
2025-02-24 19:34               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 19:03       ` Liam R. Howlett [this message]
2025-02-24 19:07         ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 19:18           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-24 19:39             ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 20:13               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-24 19:10         ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 19:25           ` Kees Cook
2025-02-24 19:42             ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 20:12               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-24 21:08                 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 17:45 ` [PATCH v6 2/7] selftests: x86: test_mremap_vdso: skip if vdso is msealed jeffxu
2025-02-24 19:02   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-24 21:04   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-24 21:24     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 17:45 ` [PATCH v6 3/7] mseal, system mappings: enable x86-64 jeffxu
2025-02-24 21:06   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-24 17:45 ` [PATCH v6 4/7] mseal, system mappings: enable arm64 jeffxu
2025-02-24 17:45 ` [PATCH v6 5/7] mseal, system mappings: enable uml architecture jeffxu
2025-02-24 17:45 ` [PATCH v6 6/7] mseal, system mappings: uprobe mapping jeffxu
2025-02-24 17:45 ` [PATCH v6 7/7] mseal, system mappings: update mseal.rst jeffxu
2025-02-24 19:04   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-24 20:26   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-24 21:06     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 21:54       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25  6:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:31     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25 22:36       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  6:08         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  5:27       ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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