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> - > - if (!folio || (!is_huge_zero_folio(folio) && > - !PageAnonExclusive(&folio->page))) { > - spin_unlock(ptl); > - err = -EBUSY; > - break; > + /* Can be a migration entry */ > + if (pmd_present(*src_pmd)) { > + struct folio *folio = pmd_folio(*src_pmd); > + > + if (!folio How could you get !folio here? That only makes sense when calling vm_normal_folio_pmd(), no? -- Cheers, David / dhildenb