From: Florian Fainelli <florian.fainelli@broadcom.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Greg Marsden <greg.marsden@oracle.com>,
Ivan Ivanov <ivan.ivanov@suse.com>,
Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Matthias Brugger <mbrugger@suse.com>,
Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/57] Boot-time page size selection for arm64
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2024 10:32:53 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e742298-2f38-496c-ba63-1e30d16318c6@broadcom.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241014105514.3206191-1-ryan.roberts@arm.com>
On 10/14/24 03:55, Ryan Roberts wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Patch bomb incoming... This covers many subsystems, so I've included a core set
> of people on the full series and additionally included maintainers on relevant
> patches. I haven't included those maintainers on this cover letter since the
> numbers were far too big for it to work. But I've included a link to this cover
> letter on each patch, so they can hopefully find their way here. For follow up
> submissions I'll break it up by subsystem, but for now thought it was important
> to show the full picture.
>
> This RFC series implements support for boot-time page size selection within the
> arm64 kernel. arm64 supports 3 base page sizes (4K, 16K, 64K), but to date, page
> size has been selected at compile-time, meaning the size is baked into a given
> kernel image. As use of larger-than-4K page sizes become more prevalent this
> starts to present a problem for distributions. Boot-time page size selection
> enables the creation of a single kernel image, which can be told which page size
> to use on the kernel command line.
>
> Why is having an image-per-page size problematic?
> =================================================
>
> Many traditional distros are now supporting both 4K and 64K. And this means
> managing 2 kernel packages, along with drivers for each. For some, it means
> multiple installer flavours and multiple ISOs. All of this adds up to a
> less-than-ideal level of complexity. Additionally, Android now supports 4K and
> 16K kernels. I'm told having to explicitly manage their KABI for each kernel is
> painful, and the extra flash space required for both kernel images and the
> duplicated modules has been problematic. Boot-time page size selection solves
> all of this.
>
> Additionally, in starting to think about the longer term deployment story for
> D128 page tables, which Arm architecture now supports, a lot of the same
> problems need to be solved, so this work sets us up nicely for that.
>
> So what's the down side?
> ========================
>
> Well nothing's free; Various static allocations in the kernel image must be
> sized for the worst case (largest supported page size), so image size is in line
> with size of 64K compile-time image. So if you're interested in 4K or 16K, there
> is a slight increase to the image size. But I expect that problem goes away if
> you're compressing the image - its just some extra zeros. At boot-time, I expect
> we could free the unused static storage once we know the page size - although
> that would be a follow up enhancement.
>
> And then there is performance. Since PAGE_SIZE and friends are no longer
> compile-time constants, we must look up their values and do arithmetic at
> runtime instead of compile-time. My early perf testing suggests this is
> inperceptible for real-world workloads, and only has small impact on
> microbenchmarks - more on this below.
>
> Approach
> ========
>
> The basic idea is to rid the source of any assumptions that PAGE_SIZE and
> friends are compile-time constant, but in a way that allows the compiler to
> perform the same optimizations as was previously being done if they do turn out
> to be compile-time constant. Where constants are required, we use limits;
> PAGE_SIZE_MIN and PAGE_SIZE_MAX. See commit log in patch 1 for full description
> of all the classes of problems to solve.
>
> By default PAGE_SIZE_MIN=PAGE_SIZE_MAX=PAGE_SIZE. But an arch may opt-in to
> boot-time page size selection by defining PAGE_SIZE_MIN & PAGE_SIZE_MAX. arm64
> does this if the user selects the CONFIG_ARM64_BOOT_TIME_PAGE_SIZE Kconfig,
> which is an alternative to selecting a compile-time page size.
>
> When boot-time page size is active, the arch pgtable geometry macro definitions
> resolve to something that can be configured at boot. The arm64 implementation in
> this series mainly uses global, __ro_after_init variables. I've tried using
> alternatives patching, but that performs worse than loading from memory; I think
> due to code size bloat.
FWIW, this paragraph was not entirely clear to me until I looked at
patch 57 to see that the compile time page size selection had been
retained, and could continue to be used as-is. It was somewhat implicit,
but not IMHO explicit enough, not a big deal though.
Great work, thanks for doing that! This makes me wonder if we could
leverage any of that to have a single kernel supporting both LPAE and
!LPAE on ARM 32-bit, but that still seems like somewhat more difficult,
largely due to the difference in the page table descriptor format (long
vs. short).
--
Florian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-14 17:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-10-14 10:55 Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/57] mm: Add macros ahead of supporting boot-time page size selection Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/57] vmlinux: Align to PAGE_SIZE_MAX Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 16:50 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-10-15 10:53 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/57] mm/memcontrol: Fix seq_buf size to save memory when PAGE_SIZE is large Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 13:00 ` Johannes Weiner
2024-10-14 19:59 ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-15 10:55 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-17 12:21 ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-17 16:09 ` Roman Gushchin
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/57] mm/page_alloc: Make page_frag_cache boot-time page size compatible Ryan Roberts
2024-11-14 8:23 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-11-14 9:36 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-11-14 9:43 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/57] mm: Avoid split pmd ptl if pmd level is run-time folded Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/57] mm: Remove PAGE_SIZE compile-time constant assumption Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:37 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-11-01 20:16 ` [RFC PATCH] mm/slab: Avoid build bug for calls to kmalloc with a large constant Dave Kleikamp
2024-11-06 11:44 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-11-06 15:20 ` Dave Kleikamp
2024-11-14 10:09 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-11-26 12:18 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-11-26 12:36 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-11-26 14:26 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-11-26 14:53 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-11-26 15:09 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-11-26 15:27 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-11-26 15:33 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-11-14 10:17 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/57] mm: Remove PAGE_SIZE compile-time constant assumption Vlastimil Babka
2024-11-26 10:08 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/57] fs: Introduce MAX_BUF_PER_PAGE_SIZE_MAX for array sizing Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/57] fs: Remove PAGE_SIZE compile-time constant assumption Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/57] fs/nfs: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/57] fs/ext4: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/57] fork: Permit boot-time THREAD_SIZE determination Ryan Roberts
2024-11-14 10:42 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/57] cgroup: Remove PAGE_SIZE compile-time constant assumption Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/57] bpf: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:38 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/57] pm/hibernate: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:39 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/57] stackdepot: " Ryan Roberts
2024-11-14 11:15 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-11-26 10:15 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/57] perf: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:40 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/57] kvm: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 21:37 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-15 10:57 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:41 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/57] trace: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 16:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-15 11:09 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-18 15:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/57] crash: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-15 3:47 ` Baoquan He
2024-10-15 11:13 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-18 3:00 ` Baoquan He
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/57] crypto: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-26 6:54 ` Herbert Xu
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/57] sunrpc: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:42 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:47 ` Chuck Lever
2024-10-16 14:54 ` Jeff Layton
2024-10-16 15:09 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/57] sound: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 11:38 ` Mark Brown
2024-10-14 12:24 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 12:41 ` Takashi Iwai
2024-10-14 12:52 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 16:01 ` Mark Brown
2024-10-15 11:35 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/57] net: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:43 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/57] net: fec: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/57] net: marvell: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 26/57] net: hns3: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 27/57] net: e1000: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:43 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 28/57] net: igbvf: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:44 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 29/57] net: igb: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:45 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 30/57] drivers/base: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:45 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 15:04 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-10-16 15:12 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 31/57] edac: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:46 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 32/57] optee: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 33/57] random: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 34/57] sata_sil24: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-17 9:09 ` Niklas Cassel
2024-10-17 12:42 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-17 12:51 ` Niklas Cassel
2024-10-21 9:24 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-21 11:04 ` Niklas Cassel
2024-10-21 11:26 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-21 11:43 ` Niklas Cassel
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 35/57] virtio: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 36/57] xen: " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:46 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-23 1:23 ` Stefano Stabellini
2024-10-24 10:32 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-25 1:18 ` Stefano Stabellini
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 37/57] arm64: Fix macros to work in C code in addition to the linker script Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 38/57] arm64: Track early pgtable allocation limit Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 39/57] arm64: Introduce macros required for boot-time page selection Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 40/57] arm64: Refactor early pgtable size calculation macros Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 41/57] arm64: Pass desired page size on command line Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 42/57] arm64: Divorce early init from PAGE_SIZE Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 43/57] arm64: Clean up simple cases of CONFIG_ARM64_*K_PAGES Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 44/57] arm64: Align sections to PAGE_SIZE_MAX Ryan Roberts
2024-10-19 14:16 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2024-10-21 11:20 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 45/57] arm64: Rework trampoline rodata mapping Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 46/57] arm64: Generalize fixmap for boot-time page size Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 47/57] arm64: Statically allocate and align for worst-case " Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 48/57] arm64: Convert switch to if for non-const comparison values Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 49/57] arm64: Convert BUILD_BUG_ON to VM_BUG_ON Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 50/57] arm64: Remove PAGE_SZ asm-offset Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 51/57] arm64: Introduce cpu features for page sizes Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:58 ` [RFC PATCH v1 52/57] arm64: Remove PAGE_SIZE from assembly code Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:59 ` [RFC PATCH v1 53/57] arm64: Runtime-fold pmd level Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:59 ` [RFC PATCH v1 54/57] arm64: Support runtime folding in idmap_kpti_install_ng_mappings Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:59 ` [RFC PATCH v1 55/57] arm64: TRAMP_VALIAS is no longer compile-time constant Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 11:21 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2024-10-14 11:28 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:59 ` [RFC PATCH v1 56/57] arm64: Determine THREAD_SIZE at boot-time Ryan Roberts
2024-10-14 10:59 ` [RFC PATCH v1 57/57] arm64: Enable boot-time page size selection Ryan Roberts
2024-10-15 17:42 ` Zi Yan
2024-10-16 8:14 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-10-16 14:21 ` Zi Yan
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2024-10-16 14:35 ` Zi Yan
2024-10-15 17:52 ` Michael Kelley
2024-10-16 8:17 ` Ryan Roberts
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