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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: "Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@gentwo.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, clm@meta.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kirill@shutemov.name,
	bfoster@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET v6 0/12] Uncached buffered IO
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 07:49:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3c85accb-69cd-46c2-bfb5-1074cedfeccd@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241213050410.GA7054@cmpxchg.org>

On 12/12/24 10:04 PM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 07:35:28PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 12:14:23PM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>> Like I mentioned earlier, the fact that it's cached for the duration of
>>> the operation is more of an implementation detail that developers need
>>> not worry about. What's important is that it's not cached AFTER. I still
>>> feel UNCACHED is the best description, but I'll change it to DONTCACHE
>>> for the next version just to avoid the overlap with other in-kernel
>>> uses.
>>
>> Regardless of the user API name, I like PG_streaming for the folio
>> flag name.
> 
> If we're throwing names in the ring, I'm partial to PG_dropbehind.
> 
> It's a term I think has been used to describe this type of behavior
> before; it juxtaposes nicely with readahead; it plainly names the
> action of what will happen to the page after the current IO operation
> against it has completed (i.e. pairs up with PG_reclaim).

True, I do think that's a good name for the folio flag. streaming isn't
bad, but it's not fully descriptive as the IO may not be streaming at
all, depending on the use case. I do remember when we used dropbehind
naming in the vm, probably 20 some years ago?

If there are no objections to this, I'll change the folio flag to
dropbehind. Also looks nicer with the bit operations on the folio, when
you have:

if (flags & RWF_DONTCACHE)
	folio_set_dropbehind(folio);

rather than:

if (flags & RWF_DONTCACHE)
	folio_set_streaming(folio);

and so forth, as the former just intuitively makes sense.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-13 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-03 15:31 Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 01/12] mm/filemap: change filemap_create_folio() to take a struct kiocb Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:13   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 15:49     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 02/12] mm/readahead: add folio allocation helper Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 03/12] mm: add PG_uncached page flag Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 04/12] mm/readahead: add readahead_control->uncached member Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 05/12] mm/filemap: use page_cache_sync_ra() to kick off read-ahead Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 06/12] mm/truncate: add folio_unmap_invalidate() helper Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 20:19     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 07/12] fs: add RWF_UNCACHED iocb and FOP_UNCACHED file_operations flag Jens Axboe
2024-12-06 17:35   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-10 11:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 19:42     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 08/12] mm/filemap: add read support for RWF_UNCACHED Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 09/12] mm/filemap: drop uncached pages when writeback completes Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 10/12] mm/filemap: add filemap_fdatawrite_range_kick() helper Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 11/12] mm/filemap: make buffered writes work with RWF_UNCACHED Jens Axboe
2024-12-06 17:17   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-06 18:22     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 15:51         ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 12/12] mm: add FGP_UNCACHED folio creation flag Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 18:23 ` [PATCHSET v6 0/12] Uncached buffered IO Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-03 21:06   ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 22:16     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-03 22:41       ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-04  5:52         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-04 16:36           ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:11           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 15:48             ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-12 16:59               ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-12 19:14                 ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-12 19:35                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-12 19:36                     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-12 20:06                     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-13  5:04                     ` Johannes Weiner
2024-12-13 14:49                       ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2024-12-06 17:37 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-10  9:48 ` Bharata B Rao
2024-12-12 15:46   ` Jens Axboe

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