From: Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>
To: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>, Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>,
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Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
kernel-team@lge.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/11] mm/kasan: support per-page shadow memory to reduce memory consumption
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 17:16:56 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3a7664a9-e360-ab68-610a-1b697a4b00b5@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACT4Y+bT=aaC+XTMwoON-Rc5gOheAj702anXKJMXDJ5FtLDRMw@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/29/2017 06:29 PM, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> Joonsoo,
>
> I guess mine (and Andrey's) main concern is the amount of additional
> complexity (I am still struggling to understand how it all works) and
> more arch-dependent code in exchange for moderate memory win.
>
> Joonsoo, Andrey,
>
> I have an alternative proposal. It should be conceptually simpler and
> also less arch-dependent. But I don't know if I miss something
> important that will render it non working.
> Namely, we add a pointer to shadow to the page struct. Then, create a
> slab allocator for 512B shadow blocks. Then, attach/detach these
> shadow blocks to page structs as necessary. It should lead to even
> smaller memory consumption because we won't need a whole shadow page
> when only 1 out of 8 corresponding kernel pages are used (we will need
> just a single 512B block). I guess with some fragmentation we need
> lots of excessive shadow with the current proposed patch.
> This does not depend on TLB in any way and does not require hooking
> into buddy allocator.
> The main downside is that we will need to be careful to not assume
> that shadow is continuous. In particular this means that this mode
> will work only with outline instrumentation and will need some ifdefs.
> Also it will be slower due to the additional indirection when
> accessing shadow, but that's meant as "small but slow" mode as far as
> I understand.
It seems that you are forgetting about stack instrumentation.
You'll have to disable it completely, at least with current implementation of it in gcc.
> But the main win as I see it is that that's basically complete support
> for 32-bit arches. People do ask about arm32 support:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/kasan-dev/Sk6BsSPMRRc/Gqh4oD_wAAAJ
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/kasan-dev/B22vOFp-QWg/EVJPbrsgAgAJ
> and probably mips32 is relevant as well.
I don't see how above is relevant for 32-bit arches. Current design
is perfectly fine for 32-bit arches. I did some POC arm32 port couple years
ago - https://github.com/aryabinin/linux/commits/kasan/arm_v0_1
It has some ugly hacks and non-critical bugs. AFAIR it also super-slow because I (mistakenly)
made shadow memory uncached. But otherwise it works.
> Such mode does not require a huge continuous address space range, has
> minimal memory consumption and requires minimal arch-dependent code.
> Works only with outline instrumentation, but I think that's a
> reasonable compromise.
>
> What do you think?
I don't understand why we trying to invent some hacky/complex schemes when we already have
a simple one - scaling shadow to 1/32. It's easy to implement and should be more performant comparing
to suggested schemes.
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Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-05-16 1:16 js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 01/11] mm/kasan: rename XXX_is_zero to XXX_is_nonzero js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 02/11] mm/kasan: don't fetch the next shadow value speculartively js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 03/11] mm/kasan: handle unaligned end address in zero_pte_populate js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 04/11] mm/kasan: extend kasan_populate_zero_shadow() js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 05/11] mm/kasan: introduce per-page shadow memory infrastructure js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 06/11] mm/kasan: mark/unmark the target range that is for original shadow memory js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 07/11] x86/kasan: use per-page " js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 08/11] mm/kasan: support on-demand shadow allocation/mapping js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 09/11] x86/kasan: support on-demand shadow mapping js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 10/11] mm/kasan: support dynamic shadow memory free js1304
2017-05-16 1:16 ` [PATCH v1 11/11] mm/kasan: change the order of shadow memory check js1304
2017-05-16 1:28 ` [PATCH(RE-RESEND) v1 01/11] mm/kasan: rename _is_zero to _is_nonzero Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-16 4:34 ` [PATCH v1 00/11] mm/kasan: support per-page shadow memory to reduce memory consumption Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-16 4:47 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-16 6:23 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-16 20:49 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-17 7:23 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-17 7:25 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-24 6:57 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-24 7:45 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-24 17:19 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-25 0:41 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-29 15:07 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-29 15:12 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-29 15:29 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30 7:58 ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30 8:15 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30 8:31 ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30 8:40 ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30 8:49 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30 9:08 ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30 9:26 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30 9:39 ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30 9:45 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30 9:54 ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30 14:16 ` Andrey Ryabinin [this message]
2017-05-31 5:50 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-31 16:31 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-06-08 2:43 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-06-01 15:16 ` 王靖天
2017-06-01 18:06 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-06-08 2:40 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-06-13 16:49 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-06-14 0:12 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-17 12:17 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-05-19 1:53 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-22 6:02 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-24 6:04 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-24 16:31 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-25 0:46 ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-22 14:00 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-05-24 6:18 ` Joonsoo Kim
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