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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: page_add/remove_rmap costs
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:21:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D3F7CD2.FC51523F@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020725030834.GC2907@holomorphy.com>

William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 01:15:10PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > So.. who's going to do it?
> > It's early days yet - although this looks bad on benchmarks we really
> > need a better understanding of _why_ it's so bad, and of whether it
> > really matters for real workloads.
> > For example: given that copy_page_range performs atomic ops against
> > page->count, how come page_add_rmap()'s atomic op against page->flags
> > is more of a problem?
> 
> Hmm. It probably isn't harming more than benchmarks, but the loop is
> pure bloat on UP. #ifdef that out someday. (Heck, don't even touch the
> bit for UP except for debugging.)
> 
> Hypothesis:
> There are too many cachelines to gain exclusive ownership of. It's not
> the aggregate arrival rate, it's the aggregate cacheline-claiming
> bandwidth needed to get exclusive ownership of all the pages' ->flags.

Yup.  But one would expect the access to lighten a subsequent
access to the page frame, so the aggregate cost would
be small.  It's odd.

It'd be nice to see some hard numbers from a P4, or a PPC64
or something.   I'm still wondering why the cost of the pte_chain_unlock()
is so high in page_remove_rmap().  That line should have still been
exclusively owned, but the PIII is going off-chip for some reason.
Is this general, or a peculiarity?

> Experiment 1:
> Group pages into blocks of say 2 or 4 for locality, and then hash each
> pageblock to a lock. The worst case wrt. claiming cachelines is then
> the size of the hash table divided by the size of the lock, but the
> potential for cacheline contention exists.

We could afford to do that.  It'd take a bit of reorganising to hold a lock
across multiple page_add_rmap() calls though.
 
> Experiment 2:
> Move ->flags to be adjacent to ->count and align struct page to a
> divisor of the cacheline size or play tricks to get it down to 32B. =)

Oh crap.  I thought I'd done that ages ago.

Whee.  Moving page->flags to the zeroth offset shrunk linux
by 110 bytes!

> Experiment 3:
> Compare magic oprofile perfcounter stuff between 2.5.26 and 2.5.27
> and do divination based on whatever the cache counters say.

Using divine intervention is cheating.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-07-25  4:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-24  6:33 Andrew Morton
2002-07-24  6:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-24 16:24 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-24 20:15   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-24 20:21     ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-24 20:28       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-25  2:35         ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-25  3:08     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  3:14       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-25  4:21       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-07-25  2:45   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  4:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  5:14   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-25  5:15     ` John Levon
2002-07-25  5:30       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  5:47       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-25  5:42         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  5:59           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-25  7:09   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-26  7:33 ` Daniel Phillips

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