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From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: Stephen Clouse <stephenc@theiqgroup.com>
Cc: Guest section DW <dwguest@win.tue.nl>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Patrick O'Rourke <orourke@missioncriticallinux.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 02:30:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C9BDAC7.4B499AD1@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010322182048.B1406@owns.warpcore.org>

Stephen Clouse wrote:
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> On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 01:33:50AM +0100, Martin Dalecki wrote:
> > AMEN! TO THIS!
> > Uptime of a process is a much better mesaure for a killing candidate
> > then it's size.
> 
> Thing is, if you take a good study of mm/oom_kill.c, it *does* take start time

I did thing is Rik did use a non normalized formula in oom_kill for the
calculation of the kill penalty a process get's. This is the main
reason for the non controllable behaviour of it.

> into account, as well as CPU time.  The problem is that a process (like Oracle,
> in our case) using ludicrous amounts of memory can still rank at the top of the
> list, even with the time-based reduction factors, because total VM is the
> starting number in the equation for determining what to kill.  Oracle or what
> not sitting at 80 MB for a day or two will still find a way to outrank the
> newly-started 1 MB shell process whose malloc triggered oom_kill in the first
> place.

This is due to the broken calculation formula in oom_kill().

> 
> If anything, time really needs to be a hard criterion for sorting the final list
> on and not merely a variable in the equation and thus tied to vmsize.
> 
> This is why the production database boxen aren't running 2.4 yet.  I can control
> Oracle's usage very finely (since it uses a fixed memory pool preallocated at
> startup), but if something else decides to fire up on there (like the nightly
> backup and maintenance routine) and decides it needs just a pinch more memory
> than what's available -- ick.  2.2.x doesn't appear to enforce new memory
> allocation with a sniper rifle -- the new process just suffers a pleasant ("Out
> of memory!") or violent (SIGSEGV) death.

And you should never ever overcommit memmory to oracle! Don't make the
buffers bigger then half the memmory in the system really. There ARE
circumstances where oracle is using all available memmory in very random
manner.
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-23  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-21 22:54 Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:11 ` Eli Carter
2001-03-21 23:40   ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:48 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22  8:14   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22  9:24     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:29     ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 11:47   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 15:01     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:04       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 23:10         ` Jordi Polo
2001-03-22 16:41     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22 20:28     ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-22 21:01       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-03-22 21:23       ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 22:00         ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 22:12           ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-03-22 22:52           ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:27             ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 23:37               ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-26 19:04                 ` James Antill
2001-03-26 20:05                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 23:40               ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 20:09                 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 22:21                   ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 22:37                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 19:57           ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-22 22:10         ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 22:53           ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:30             ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 23:40               ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:43         ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-23 19:26         ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 20:41           ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-23 21:58             ` george anzinger
2001-03-24  5:55               ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24  8:04                 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-27 14:05                 ` Scott F. Kaplan
2001-03-28  0:00                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-30  3:18                     ` Scott F. Kaplan
2001-03-30 23:03                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 22:18             ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24  2:08               ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-23  1:31       ` Michael Peddemors
2002-03-23  0:33       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-22 23:53         ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-23  1:21           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23  0:20         ` Stephen Clouse
2002-03-23  1:30           ` Martin Dalecki [this message]
2001-03-23  1:37             ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 10:48               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 14:56                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 16:43                   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-24  5:57                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 16:35                       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 17:26     ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:32       ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 18:58         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 19:45           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-23 23:26             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-25 13:54           ` [PATCH] OOM handling Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 15:06             ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 15:20               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 17:08                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 15:44               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 15:47                 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 16:36                   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-26 21:34                     ` Kevin Buhr
2001-03-26 22:00                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 15:30         ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 20:47           ` Stephen Satchell
2001-03-25 21:51             ` [PATCH] non-overcommit memory, improved OOM handling, safety margin (was Re: Prevent OOM from killing init) Jonathan Morton
2001-03-27 15:23               ` Pavel Machek
2001-03-23 20:16       ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Jordi Polo
2001-03-24  0:03       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-24  7:52       ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 14:53   ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-22 19:24   ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 22:20   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:31   ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24  5:54     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24  6:55       ` Juha Saarinen
2001-03-22 11:08 Heusden, Folkert van
     [not found] <4605B269DB001E4299157DD1569079D2809930@EXCHANGE03.plaza.ds.adp.com>
2001-03-22 16:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 18:32   ` Christian Bodmer
     [not found] <20010323015358Z129164-406+3041@vger.kernel.org>
2001-03-23  7:04 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 11:28   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 14:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23 17:21       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 20:18         ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-24 20:19           ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-23 23:48         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23  9:28 Heusden, Folkert van

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