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Something as simple as diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst index bd49b46398c92..2267d22277238 100644 --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst @@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ sysfs Global THP controls ------------------- -Transparent Hugepage Support for anonymous memory can be entirely disabled +Transparent Hugepage Support for anonymous memory can be mostly disabled (mostly for debugging purposes) or only enabled inside MADV_HUGEPAGE regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources) or enabled system wide. This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of:: -- Cheers, David / dhildenb