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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>, Xueshi Hu <xueshi.hu@smartx.com>
Cc: muchun.song@linux.dev, corbet@lwn.net, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com, osalvador@suse.de, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] mm/hugetlb: fix the inconsistency of /proc/sys/vm/nr_huge_pages
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:34:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <396edcf4-2b43-ef2e-baa3-b732134b8f93@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230810001755.GC3537@monkey>

On 10.08.23 02:17, Mike Kravetz wrote:
> On 08/08/23 17:13, Xueshi Hu wrote:
>> On 8/8/23 15:58, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> On 08.08.23 04:28, Xueshi Hu wrote:
>>>> On 8/7/23 23:15, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>> On 06.08.23 09:48, Xueshi Hu wrote:
> 
> Sorry for jumping in late, I was away for a while.
> 
> Hu and myself discussed this previously in,
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20230802182031.GA4762@monkey/T/#r1bdc8eeebafa08699fda5b15f247f3f966ddd090
> 
> The documentation around what is displayed with the hugetlb proc/sys
> interfaces is at best confusing and at worst wrong in places.
> 
> One source of confusion is use of term 'persistent hugetlb pages'.  The
> documentation does not define this term.  However, there is this
> definition in the code:
> #define persistent_huge_pages(h) (h->nr_huge_pages - h->surplus_huge_pages)
> 
> All of the write/update interfaces modify the number of persistent hugetlb
> pages as defined by the code (#define).  Only one read/show interface
> displays the number of persistent hugetlb pages as defined by the code
> (#define).  That is /proc/sys/vm/nr_hugepages (and sysctl).

Yes.

> 
> When thinking about this more, I am 'guessing' that when the documentation was
> originally written the term 'persistent hugetlb pages' did not refer to the
> #define in the code.  Rather, it was just the number of allocated hugetlb pages
> that 'persisted' until modified by the admin/user.
> 
> There is little doubt the documentation could/should be updated.

Absolutely.

> 
> The question is 'Should we change the /proc/sys/vm/nr_hugepages (and sysctl)
> interfaces to be consistent with all the other read/show interfaces?
> 
> The argument for changing is that consistency is good.  Why have one interface
> that is not like the others?
> 
> The reason for not changing is that this is the oldest interface.  The
> information/interfaces originally available in /proc were created in /sys.
> And, as mentioned in the documentation the /proc interfaces were kept
> for backward compatibility.  Unfortunately, the meaning of nr_hugepages
> was changed the /sys interfaces were created.  Sigh!!!

Indeed, they were designed to be different and to just leave the /proc 
interface alone.

> 
> In the thread mentioned above, I was in agreement with Hu about changing
> /proc/sys/vm/nr_hugepages to be consistent with other read/show interfaces.
> Now, I am not sure.

My take would be to just leave /proc/sys/vm/nr_hugepages alone. Maybe 
pr_warn_once() when the interface is used to guide people away from that 
legacy interface + clarify the docs.

Your call. :)

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-10  7:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-06  7:48 [PATCH v2 0/4] mm/hugetlb: fix /sys and /proc fs dealing with persistent hugepages Xueshi Hu
2023-08-06  7:48 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mm/hugetlb: fix the inconsistency of /proc/sys/vm/nr_huge_pages Xueshi Hu
2023-08-07 15:15   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-08  2:28     ` Xueshi Hu
2023-08-08  7:58       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-08  9:13         ` Xueshi Hu
2023-08-10  0:17           ` Mike Kravetz
2023-08-10  7:34             ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-08-10 22:15               ` Mike Kravetz
2023-08-25  4:02               ` Xueshi Hu
2023-08-25 21:15                 ` Mike Kravetz
2023-08-26  2:51                   ` Xueshi Hu
2023-08-06  7:48 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm/hugeltb: clean up hstate::max_huge_pages Xueshi Hu
2023-08-07 15:17   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-06  7:48 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] mm/hugeltb: fix nodes huge page allocation when there are surplus pages Xueshi Hu
2023-08-06  7:48 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] docs: hugetlbpage.rst: make the meaning of persistent hugetlb pages clear Xueshi Hu

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