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From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	Dave McCracken <dmccr@us.ibm.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2.5.43-mm2] New shared page table patch
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:36:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <396790000.1035308200@flay> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021022131930.A20957@redhat.com>

>> > I think it will for most of the situations we run aground with now
>> > (normally 5000 oracle tasks sharing a 2Gb shared segment, or some
>> > such monster).
>> 
>> 10 GB pagetable overhead, for 2 GB of data.  No customer I
>> know would accept that much OS overhead.
>> 
>> To reduce the overhead we could either reclaim the page
>> tables and reconstruct them when needed (lots of work) or
>> we could share the page tables (less runtime overhead).
> 
> Or you use 4MB pages.  That tends to work much better and has less 
> complexity.  Shared page tables don't work well on x86 when you have 
> a database trying to access an SGA larger than the virtual address 
> space, as each process tends to map its own window into the buffer 
> pool.  Highmem with 32 bit va just plain sucks.  The right answer is 
> to change the architecture of the application to not run with 5000 
> unique processes.

Bear in mind that large pages are neither swap backed or file backed
(vetoed by Linus), for starters. There are other large app problem scenarios 
apart from Oracle ;-)

M.

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-22 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-18 23:06 Dave McCracken
2002-10-19  1:32 ` Ed Tomlinson
2002-10-19 19:17 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-19 19:36   ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-20  4:20     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-20  6:18   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-21 14:55     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 15:21       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22  3:54         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-22  5:55           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 16:09             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 16:14               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 18:06                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-22 19:02                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 19:21                     ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-24 10:50                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-24 14:22                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-24 14:38                           ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-24 14:51                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-25 17:31                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-24 10:42                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-22 17:19               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 17:36                 ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2002-10-22 17:45                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 17:56                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-22 18:01                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 19:03                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22 20:23                           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-22 21:33                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 18:22                     ` Alan Cox
2002-10-22 18:47                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 18:55                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 19:27                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 19:29                             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-22 19:56                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-10-22 14:26           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 17:09             ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-22 17:15               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 18:36                 ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-22 18:49                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-22 19:06                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 19:29                       ` Dave McCracken
2002-10-22 19:11                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-22 19:29                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 18:45               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-10-22 17:54             ` Bill Davidsen

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