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From: Benjamin Redelings I <bredelin@ucla.edu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan <ananth@sgi.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [DATAPOINT] pre7-6 will not swap
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 22:35:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3913AF3E.470F26E@ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005061225460.1470-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

> and I suspect that we mightactually make the vmscan.c test more eager to
> swap stuff out: my private source tree says
> 
>         /*
>          * Don't do any of the expensive stuff if
>          * we're not really interested in this zone.
>          */
>         if (z->free_pages > z->pages_high)
>                 goto out_unlock;
> 
> in vmscan.c, and that seems to be quite well-behaved too (but if somebody
> has the energy to test the two different versions, I'd absolutely love to
> hear results..)

Although I would have thought that putting this test in would have no
effect on performance, it actually kills performance.  Since the test
appears very reasonable, I think this means we have a bug elsewhere, and
that removing this reasonable test cures a symptom, but not the bug.

OK, details.
	With Linus's test, the kernel does not want to swap much.  It is a
little better than the pervious version of the test, but much lower than
if the test was removed.  One result is that the cache shrinks to low
sizes like 14Mb/64Mb, when there are several unused daemons that could 
be swapped out.	
	Also, the WRONG PROCESSES are swapped out.  Several large daemons that
were swapped out w/o the test, are now left in core.  Instead, RUNNING
programs are swapped out, like netscape.  Even worse, running xquake and
'tar -xf linux.tar' makes the system non-responsive - the VM continues
paging the quake ENGINE in and out and in and out :P
	It looks like some processes (my unused daemons) are scanned only once,
and then get stuck at the end of some list?  Is that a possible
explanation? <guessing> Perhaps Rik's moving list-head idea is needed?
</guessing>.

carry on,
-benRI
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-05-06  5:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <8evk0f$7jote$1@fido.engr.sgi.com>
2000-05-06 17:12 ` Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan
2000-05-06  4:25   ` Benjamin Redelings I
2000-05-06 19:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-06  5:35     ` Benjamin Redelings I [this message]
2000-05-06 21:46       ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-06 22:24         ` Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan
2000-05-06 14:03           ` Benjamin Redelings I
2000-05-07  0:22           ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-07  2:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-07 17:40             ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-07 17:53               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-07 19:13                 ` Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan
2000-05-07 19:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-08 20:40                     ` gprof data for pre7-6 Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan
2000-05-09  1:52     ` [DATAPOINT] pre7-6 will not swap Quintela Carreira Juan J.
2000-05-09  2:28       ` Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan
2000-05-09  2:33       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-09  3:31         ` Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan
2000-05-09 15:56           ` [DATAPOINT] pre7-8 swaps with FREE mem? Benjamin Redelings I
2000-05-06 20:12   ` PG_referenced and lru_cache (cpu%) Roger Larsson
2000-05-06 18:31     ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-06 22:16       ` Roger Larsson
2000-05-05  8:07 [DATAPOINT] pre7-6 will not swap Benjamin Redelings I

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