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From: Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Karim Manaouil <kmanaouil.dev@gmail.com>
Cc: the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-team@meta.com, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	luto@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com,
	"open list:MEMORY MANAGEMENT" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/12] x86/mm: enable broadcast TLB invalidation for multi-threaded processes
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 02:06:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3736e1f1-231c-4060-9fdc-579c11600720@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7be55c4eb33aac4f9b99c70bfd4578934fbdd0ea.camel@surriel.com>



On 01/01/2025 18:23, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Wed, 2025-01-01 at 16:15 +0000, Karim Manaouil wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 01, 2025 at 05:20:01PM +0200, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/01/2025 6:42, Rik van Riel wrote:
>>>> Fixed for the next version.
>>>
>>> Thanks Rik,
>>>
>>> Admittedly, I don't feel great about my overall last review - it
>>> mostly
>>> focused on style and common BKMs.
>>>
>>> I still don't quite get the entire logic. To name one thing that I
>>> don't
>>> understand: why do we need broadcast_asid_list and the complicated
>>> games of
>>> syncing it with broadcast_asid_used. Why wouldn't
>>> broadcast_asid_used
>>> suffice?
>>
>> If I uderstand correctly from Rik's patch, I think the list is needed
>> to
>> save the flush for only when we run out of the ASID space (wrap
>> around).
>> Without the list, whenever the ASID bit is cleared, you also have to
>> flush
>> the TLBs.
> 
> That's exactly it.
> 
> The list will only contain processes that are active on
> multiple CPUs, and hit a TLB flush "at the right moment"
> to be assigned a broadcast ASID, which will be true for
> essentially every process that does a lot of TLB flushes
> and is long lived.
> 
> However, something like a kernel build has lots of
> short lived, single threaded processes, for which we
> should not be using broadcast TLB flushing, and which
> will not need to remove themselves from the list at
> exit time.

Thank you Karim and Rik for the patient explanations.

But IIUC, it does seem a bit overly complicated (and when I say 
complicated, I mostly refer to traversing the broadcast_asid_list and 
its overhead).

It seems to me that basically you want to have two pieces of data that 
can easily be kept in bitmaps.

1. (existing) broadcast_asid_used - those that are currently "busy" and 
cannot be allocated.

2. (new) broadcast_asid_pending_flush - those that are logically free 
but were still not flushed. This would allow removing broadcast_asid_list.

Then in reset_broadcast_asid_space(), you just do something like:

   bitmap_andnot(broadcast_asid_used, broadcast_asid_used,
		broadcast_asid_pending_flush, MAX_ASID_AVAILABLE);
   bitmap_clear(broadcast_asid_pending_flush, MAX_ASID_AVAILABLE);

Seems to me as simpler to understand, faster, and may even allow in the 
future to avoid locking in fast-paths (would require different ordering 
and some thought). Of course, I might be missing something...



  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-02  0:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-30 17:53 [PATCH v3 00/12] AMD broadcast TLB invalidation Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 01/12] x86/mm: make MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE unconditional Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 18:41   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-31 16:11     ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-31 16:19       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-31 16:30         ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-02 11:52           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-02 19:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-03 12:18         ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-04 16:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-06 15:54             ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-06 15:47           ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 02/12] x86/mm: remove pv_ops.mmu.tlb_remove_table call Rik van Riel
2024-12-31  3:18   ` Qi Zheng
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 03/12] x86/mm: add X86_FEATURE_INVLPGB definition Rik van Riel
2025-01-02 12:04   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-03 18:27     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 21:07       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 04/12] x86/mm: get INVLPGB count max from CPUID Rik van Riel
2025-01-02 12:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-10 18:44   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-10 20:27     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10 20:31       ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-10 20:34       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 05/12] x86/mm: add INVLPGB support code Rik van Riel
2025-01-02 12:42   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-06 16:50     ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-06 17:32       ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 18:14       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-14 19:50     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 12:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 06/12] x86/mm: use INVLPGB for kernel TLB flushes Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 12:39   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-06 17:21   ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-09 20:16     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-09 21:18       ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-10  5:31         ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10  6:07         ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-10 15:14           ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-10 16:08             ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10 16:29               ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-10 16:36                 ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10 18:53   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-10 20:29     ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 07/12] x86/tlb: use INVLPGB in flush_tlb_all Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 17:29   ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-06 17:35     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 17:54       ` Dave Hansen
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 08/12] x86/mm: use broadcast TLB flushing for page reclaim TLB flushing Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 09/12] x86/mm: enable broadcast TLB invalidation for multi-threaded processes Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 19:24   ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-01  4:42     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-01 15:20       ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-01 16:15         ` Karim Manaouil
2025-01-01 16:23           ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-02  0:06             ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2025-01-03 17:36   ` Jann Horn
2025-01-04  2:55     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 13:04       ` Jann Horn
2025-01-06 14:26         ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 14:52   ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-06 16:03     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 18:40   ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-12  2:36     ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 10/12] x86,tlb: do targeted broadcast flushing from tlbbatch code Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 11/12] x86/mm: enable AMD translation cache extensions Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 18:25   ` Nadav Amit
2024-12-30 18:27     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 17:49   ` Jann Horn
2025-01-04  3:08     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 13:10       ` Jann Horn
2025-01-06 18:29         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-10 19:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-10 19:45     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10 19:58       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-10 20:43         ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 12/12] x86/mm: only invalidate final translations with INVLPGB Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 18:40   ` Jann Horn
2025-01-12  2:39     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 19:03 ` [PATCH v3 00/12] AMD broadcast TLB invalidation Dave Hansen
2025-01-12  2:46   ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 22:49 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-07  3:25   ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-08  1:36     ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-09  2:25       ` Andrew Cooper
2025-01-09  2:47       ` Andrew Cooper
2025-01-09 21:32         ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-09 23:00           ` Andrew Cooper
2025-01-09 23:26             ` Yosry Ahmed

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