From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Anatoly Stepanov <astepanov@cloudlinux.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] mm: introduce kv[mz]alloc helpers
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 00:37:08 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <37232cc6-af8b-52e2-3265-9ef0c0d26e5f@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170118082146.GC7015@dhcp22.suse.cz>
On 01/18/2017 12:21 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 17-01-17 21:59:13, John Hubbard wrote:
>>
>> On 01/16/2017 11:51 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>> On Mon 16-01-17 13:57:43, John Hubbard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/16/2017 01:48 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>>>> On Mon 16-01-17 13:15:08, John Hubbard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/16/2017 11:40 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon 16-01-17 11:09:37, John Hubbard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/16/2017 12:47 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun 15-01-17 20:34:13, John Hubbard wrote:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>> Is that "Reclaim modifiers" line still true, or is it a leftover from an
>>>>>>>>>> earlier approach? I am having trouble reconciling it with rest of the
>>>>>>>>>> patchset, because:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a) the flags argument below is effectively passed on to either kmalloc_node
>>>>>>>>>> (possibly adding, but not removing flags), or to __vmalloc_node_flags.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The above only says thos are _unsupported_ - in other words the behavior
>>>>>>>>> is not defined. Even if flags are passed down to kmalloc resp. vmalloc
>>>>>>>>> it doesn't mean they are used that way. Remember that vmalloc uses
>>>>>>>>> some hardcoded GFP_KERNEL allocations. So while I could be really
>>>>>>>>> strict about this and mask away these flags I doubt this is worth the
>>>>>>>>> additional code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do wonder about passing those flags through to kmalloc. Maybe it is worth
>>>>>>>> stripping out __GFP_NORETRY and __GFP_NOFAIL, after all. It provides some
>>>>>>>> insulation from any future changes to the implementation of kmalloc, and it
>>>>>>>> also makes the documentation more believable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not really convinced that we should take an extra steps for these
>>>>>>> flags. There are no existing users for those flags and new users should
>>>>>>> follow the documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, let's just fortify the documentation ever so slightly, then, so that
>>>>>> users are more likely to do the right thing. How's this sound:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Reclaim modifiers - __GFP_NORETRY and __GFP_NOFAIL are not supported. (Even
>>>>>> * though the current implementation passes the flags on through to kmalloc and
>>>>>> * vmalloc, that is done for efficiency and to avoid unnecessary code. The caller
>>>>>> * should not pass in these flags.)
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * __GFP_REPEAT is supported, but only for large (>64kB) allocations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? Or is that documentation overkill?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dunno, it sounds like an overkill to me. It is telling more than
>>>>> necessary. If we want to be so vocal about gfp flags then we would have
>>>>> to say much more I suspect. E.g. what about __GFP_HIGHMEM? This flag is
>>>>> supported for vmalloc while unsupported for kmalloc. I am pretty sure
>>>>> there would be other gfp flags to consider and then this would grow
>>>>> borringly large and uninteresting to the point when people simply stop
>>>>> reading it. Let's just be as simple as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, on the simplicity point: simple and clear is ideal. But here, it's
>>>> merely short, and not quite simple. :) People will look at that short bit
>>>> of documentation, and then notice that the flags are, in fact, all passed
>>>> right on through down to both kmalloc_node and __vmalloc_node_flags.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want too much documentation, then I'd be inclined to say
>>>> something higher-level, about the intent, rather than mentioning those two
>>>> flags directly. Because as it stands, the documentation contradicts what the
>>>> code does.
>>>
>>> Feel free to suggest a better wording. I am, of course, open to any
>>> changes.
>>
>> OK, here's the best I've got, I tried to keep it concise, but (as you
>> suspected) I'm not sure it's actually any better than the original:
>>
>> * Reclaim modifiers - __GFP_NORETRY and __GFP_NOFAIL should not be passed in.
>> * Passing in __GFP_REPEAT is supported, but note that it is ignored for small
>> * (<=64KB) allocations, during the kmalloc attempt.
>
>> __GFP_REPEAT is fully
>> * honored for all allocation sizes during the second part: the vmalloc attempt.
>
> this is not true to be really precise because vmalloc doesn't respect
> the given gfp mask all the way down (look at the pte initialization).
>
I'm having some difficulty in locating that pte initialization part, am I on the
wrong code path? Here's what I checked, before making the claim about __GFP_REPEAT
being honored:
kvmalloc_node
__vmalloc_node_flags
__vmalloc_node
__vmalloc_node_range
__vmalloc_area_node
alloc_pages_node
__alloc_pages_node
__alloc_pages
__alloc_pages_nodemask
__alloc_pages_slowpath
...and __alloc_pages_slowpath does the __GFP_REPEAT handling:
/*
* Do not retry costly high order allocations unless they are
* __GFP_REPEAT
*/
if (order > PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER && !(gfp_mask & __GFP_REPEAT))
goto nopage;
thanks,
john h
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-01-19 8:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-01-12 15:37 [PATCH 0/6 v3] kvmalloc Michal Hocko
2017-01-12 15:37 ` [PATCH 1/6] mm: introduce kv[mz]alloc helpers Michal Hocko
2017-01-16 4:34 ` John Hubbard
2017-01-16 8:47 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-16 19:09 ` John Hubbard
2017-01-16 19:40 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-16 21:15 ` John Hubbard
2017-01-16 21:48 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-16 21:57 ` John Hubbard
2017-01-17 7:51 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-18 5:59 ` John Hubbard
2017-01-18 8:21 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-19 8:37 ` John Hubbard [this message]
2017-01-19 8:45 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-19 9:09 ` John Hubbard
2017-01-19 9:56 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-19 21:28 ` John Hubbard
2017-01-26 12:09 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-30 8:42 ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-12 15:37 ` [PATCH 2/6] mm: support __GFP_REPEAT in kvmalloc_node for >=64kB Michal Hocko
2017-01-12 16:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-14 2:42 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-01-14 8:45 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-24 15:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-12 15:37 ` [PATCH 3/6] rhashtable: simplify a strange allocation pattern Michal Hocko
2017-01-12 15:37 ` [PATCH 4/6] ila: " Michal Hocko
2017-01-12 15:37 ` [PATCH 5/6] treewide: use kv[mz]alloc* rather than opencoded variants Michal Hocko
2017-01-12 15:57 ` David Sterba
2017-01-12 16:05 ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-01-12 16:54 ` Ilya Dryomov
2017-01-12 17:18 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-12 17:00 ` Dan Williams
2017-01-12 17:26 ` Kees Cook
2017-01-12 17:37 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-20 13:41 ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-24 15:00 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-25 11:15 ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-25 13:09 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-25 13:40 ` Ilya Dryomov
2017-01-12 17:29 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-14 3:01 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-01-14 8:49 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-12 20:14 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2017-01-13 1:11 ` Dilger, Andreas
2017-01-14 10:56 ` Leon Romanovsky
2017-01-16 7:33 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-16 8:28 ` Leon Romanovsky
2017-01-16 8:18 ` Tariq Toukan
2017-01-12 15:37 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] net: use kvmalloc with __GFP_REPEAT rather than open coded variant Michal Hocko
2017-01-24 15:17 ` [PATCH 0/6 v3] kvmalloc Michal Hocko
2017-01-24 16:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2017-01-25 13:10 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-24 19:17 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2017-01-25 13:10 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-25 13:21 ` Michal Hocko
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