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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "Korenblit, Miriam Rachel" <miriam.rachel.korenblit@intel.com>,
	 linux-mm@kvack.org, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 6.18.13 iwlwifi deadlock allocating cma while work-item is active.
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2026 12:49:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <35779061f94c2a55bb58dcd619ae91c618509cf4.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c616fc41-3bc7-4ddc-b65c-a622111d8548@candelatech.com>

On Mon, 2026-03-02 at 07:50 -0800, Ben Greear wrote:
> On 3/2/26 07:38, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > On Mon, 2026-03-02 at 07:26 -0800, Ben Greear wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Was this with lockdep? If so, it complain about anything?
> > > > 
> > > > I'm having a hard time seeing why it would deadlock at all when wifi
> > > > uses  schedule_work() and therefore the system_percpu_wq, and
> > > > __lru_add_drain_all() flushes lru_add_drain_work on mm_percpu_wq, and
> > > > lru_add_and_bh_lrus_drain() doesn't really _seem_ to do anything related
> > > > to RTNL etc.?
> > > > 
> > > > I think we need a real explanation here rather than "if I randomly
> > > > change this, it no longer appears".
> > > 
> > > The path where iwlwifi acquires CMA holds rtnl and/or wiphy locks before
> > > allocating CMA memory, as expected.
> > > 
> > > And the CMA allocation path attempts to flush the work queues in
> > > at least some cases.
> > > 
> > > If there is a work item queued that is trying to grab rtnl and/or wiphy lock
> > > when CMA attempts to flush, then the flush work cannot complete, so it deadlocks.
> > > 
> > > Lockdep doesn't warn about this.
> > 
> > It really should, in cases where it can actually happen, I wrote the
> > code myself for that... Though things have changed since, and the checks
> > were lost at least once (and re-added), so I suppose it's possible that
> > they were lost _again_, but the flushing system is far more flexible now
> > and it's not flushing the same workqueue anyway, so it shouldn't happen.
> > 
> > I stand by what I said before, need to show more precisely what depends
> > on what, and I'm not going to accept a random kthread into this.
> 
> My first email on the topic has process stack traces as well as lockdep
> locks-held printout that points to the deadlock.  I'm not sure what else to offer...please let me know
> what you'd like to see.

Fair. I don't know, I don't think there's anything that even shows that
there's a dependency between the two workqueues and the
"((wq_completion)events_unbound)" and "((wq_completion)events)", and
there would have to be for it to deadlock this way because of that?

But one is mm_percpu_wq and the other is system_percpu_wq.

Tejun, does the workqueue code somehow introduce a dependency between
different per-CPU workqueues that's not modelled in lockdep?

johannes


      reply	other threads:[~2026-03-03 11:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-23 22:36 Ben Greear
2026-02-27 16:31 ` Ben Greear
2026-03-01 15:38   ` Ben Greear
2026-03-02  8:07     ` Johannes Berg
2026-03-02 15:26       ` Ben Greear
2026-03-02 15:38         ` Johannes Berg
2026-03-02 15:50           ` Ben Greear
2026-03-03 11:49             ` Johannes Berg [this message]

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