From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
Cc: Longlong Xia <xialonglong2025@163.com>,
nao.horiguchi@gmail.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, xu.xin16@zte.com.cn,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Longlong Xia <xialonglong@kylinos.cn>,
lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
mhocko@suse.com, Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
qiuxu.zhuo@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/1] mm/ksm: Add recovery mechanism for memory failures
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 13:13:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <356ec45b-6ec9-4eb4-b5db-ca98964d8f3b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c129e522-853e-45c7-a064-34c25e63e610@linux.dev>
On 13.10.25 13:00, Lance Yang wrote:
>
>
> On 2025/10/13 17:25, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 13.10.25 11:15, Lance Yang wrote:
>>> @David
>>>
>>> Cc: MM CORE folks
>>>
>>> On 2025/10/13 12:42, Lance Yang wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Cool. Hardware error injection with EINJ was the way to go!
>>>
>>> I just ran some tests on the shared zero page (both regular and huge),
>>> and
>>> found a tricky behavior:
>>>
>>> 1) When a hardware error is injected into the zeropage, the process that
>>> attempts to read from a mapping backed by it is correctly killed with a
>>> SIGBUS.
>>>
>>> 2) However, even after the error is detected, the kernel continues to
>>> install
>>> the known-poisoned zeropage for new anonymous mappings ...
>>>
>>>
>>> For the shared zeropage:
>>> ```
>>> [Mon Oct 13 16:29:02 2025] mce: Uncorrected hardware memory error in
>>> user-access at 29b8cf5000
>>> [Mon Oct 13 16:29:02 2025] Memory failure: 0x29b8cf5: Sending SIGBUS to
>>> read_zeropage:13767 due to hardware memory corruption
>>> [Mon Oct 13 16:29:02 2025] Memory failure: 0x29b8cf5: recovery action
>>> for already poisoned page: Failed
>>> ```
>>> And for the shared huge zeropage:
>>> ```
>>> [Mon Oct 13 16:35:34 2025] mce: Uncorrected hardware memory error in
>>> user-access at 1e1e00000
>>> [Mon Oct 13 16:35:34 2025] Memory failure: 0x1e1e00: Sending SIGBUS to
>>> read_huge_zerop:13891 due to hardware memory corruption
>>> [Mon Oct 13 16:35:34 2025] Memory failure: 0x1e1e00: recovery action for
>>> already poisoned page: Failed
>>> ```
>>>
>>> Since we've identified an uncorrectable hardware error on such a
>>> critical,
>>> singleton page, should we be doing something more?
>>
>> I mean, regarding the shared zeropage, we could try walking all page
>> tables of all processes and replace it be a fresh shared zeropage.
>>
>> But then, the page might also be used for other things (I/O etc), the
>> shared zeropage is allocated by the architecture, we'd have to make
>> is_zero_pfn() succeed on the old+new page etc ...
>>
>> So a lot of work for little benefit I guess? The question is how often
>> we would see that in practice. I'd assume we'd see it happen on random
>> kernel memory more frequently where we can really just bring down the
>> whole machine.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
>
> I agree, fixing the regular zeropage is a really mess ...
>
> But for the huge zeropage, what if we just stop installing it once it's
> poisoned? We could just disable it globally. Something like this:
We now have the static huge zero folio that could silently be used for
I/O without a reference etc.
So I'm afraid this is all just making corner cases slightly better.
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-13 11:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-09 7:00 [PATCH RFC 0/1] " Longlong Xia
2025-10-09 7:00 ` [PATCH RFC 1/1] " Longlong Xia
2025-10-09 12:13 ` Lance Yang
2025-10-11 7:52 ` Lance Yang
2025-10-11 9:23 ` Miaohe Lin
2025-10-11 9:38 ` Lance Yang
2025-10-11 12:57 ` Lance Yang
2025-10-13 3:39 ` Miaohe Lin
2025-10-13 4:42 ` Lance Yang
2025-10-13 9:15 ` Lance Yang
2025-10-13 9:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-13 9:46 ` Balbir Singh
2025-10-13 11:00 ` Lance Yang
2025-10-13 11:13 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-13 11:18 ` Lance Yang
2025-10-11 3:25 ` Miaohe Lin
2025-10-13 20:10 ` [PATCH RFC] " Markus Elfring
2025-10-09 18:57 ` [PATCH RFC 0/1] " David Hildenbrand
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