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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, lkmm@lists.linux.dev,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	"Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)" <urezki@gmail.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	maged.michael@gmail.com,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@amd.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] hazptr: Add initial implementation of hazard pointers
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 13:51:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <34ec590c-b109-44a0-8bfe-8aafc6e7ad64@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgBgh5U+dyNaN=+XCdcm2OmgSRbcH4Vbtk8i5ZDGwStSA@mail.gmail.com>

On 2024-09-27 19:23, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Sept 2024 at 10:17, Mathieu Desnoyers
> <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
>>
>> The barrier() is ineffective at fixing the issue.
>> It does not prevent the compiler CSE from losing the
>> address dependency:
> 
> Ok. Thanks for actually specifying code.
> 
> That needs to be
> 
>   (a) in a comment

OK. I'll add the code/asm examples to the comment above ADDRESS_EQ().

> 
>   (b) the value barrier needs to be on *both* values so that the order
> of the equality testing doesn't matter.

If we use OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR() on both parameters, it indeed minimizes
the odds that someone get the order wrong, but it disallows using
ADDRESS_EQ() with a constant parameter
(e.g. ADDRESS_EQ(ptr, &mystruct)), which would be nice to cover. It
works fine with using OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR() on the first argument,
but it opens the door to misuses.

Perhaps there is a trick with compiler builtins we could do to only
use OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR() on non-constant arguments, but I can't get
it to work so far.

> 
>> I'm preparing a small series that aims to show how a minimal
>> hazard pointer implementation can help improve common scenarios:
> 
> I want actual numbers on real loads. Just so you know.  Not "this can
> help". But "this actually really _does_ help".

Noted, thanks!

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com



  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-27 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-17 14:33 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add hazard pointers to kernel Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] hazptr: Add initial implementation of hazard pointers Boqun Feng
2024-09-18  8:27   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-18 15:17   ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19  6:56     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-19 18:07       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-19  0:12   ` Jann Horn
2024-09-19 20:30     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-20  7:43       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-19  6:39   ` Lai Jiangshan
2024-09-19  7:10     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-19 12:33       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 13:57       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 18:58         ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-19 19:53           ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 16:10       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-19 14:00   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-20  7:41   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-25 10:02     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-25 10:11       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-25 10:45         ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-25 11:59           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-25 12:16             ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-25 12:47               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-25 13:10                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-25 13:20                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-26  6:16                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-26 15:53                       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-26 16:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-26 16:40                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-26 16:54                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27  0:01                               ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27  1:30                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27  1:37                                   ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27  4:28                                     ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27 10:59                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 14:43                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 15:22                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 16:06                                       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-27 16:44                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 17:15                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 17:23                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 17:51                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2024-09-27 18:13                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 19:12                                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-27 19:28                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 20:24                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-27 20:02                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27  1:20                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27  4:38                             ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-27 19:23                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-27 20:10                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-27 22:18                                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-28 22:10                                     ` Alan Huang
2024-09-28 23:12                                       ` Alan Huang
2024-09-25 12:19             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-17 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] refscale: Add benchmarks for hazptr Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] refscale: Add benchmarks for percpu_ref Boqun Feng
2024-09-17 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] WIP: hazptr: Add hazptr test sample Boqun Feng
2024-09-18  7:18 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add hazard pointers to kernel Linus Torvalds
2024-09-18 22:44   ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-19  6:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-20  5:00       ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-09-19 14:30     ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-09-19 14:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-19 14:21     ` Linus Torvalds

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