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From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@samsung.com>,
	 Pankaj Raghav <p.raghav@samsung.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	 Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Measuring limits and enhancing buffered IO
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 12:32:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2impeknscqi2dg3ik6woohow26wjlfnv4oaevuqa7o2uyc3ppz@pwpnppp54jnh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zds8T9O4AYAmdS9d@casper.infradead.org>

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 01:10:39PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 12:18:23AM -0500, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > Before large folios, we had people very much bottlenecked by 4k page
> > overhead on sequential IO; my customer/sponsor was one of them.
> > 
> > Factor of 2 or 3, IIRC; it was _bad_. And when you looked at the
> > profiles and looked at the filemap.c code it wasn't hard to see why;
> > we'd walk a radix tree, do an atomic op (get the page), then do a 4k
> > usercopy... hence the work I did to break up
> > generic_file_buffered_read() and vectorize it, which was a huge
> > improvement.
> 
> There's also the small random 64 byte read case that we haven't optimised
> for yet.  That also bottlenecks on the page refcount atomic op.
> 
> The proposed solution to that was double-copy; look up the page without
> bumping its refcount, copy to a buffer, look up the page again to be
> sure it's still there, copy from the buffer to userspace.
> 
> Except that can go wrong under really unlikely circumstances.  Look up the
> page, page gets freed, page gets reallocated to slab, we copy sensitive
> data from it, page gets freed again, page gets reallocated to the same
> spot in the file (!), lookup says "yup the same page is there".
> We'd need a seqcount or something to be sure the page hasn't moved.

yes, generation numbers are the standard solution to ABA...


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-25 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-23 23:59 Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-24  4:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-24 17:31   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 18:13     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-24 18:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 18:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 19:11       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 21:42         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-24 22:57         ` Chris Mason
2024-02-24 23:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-10 23:57           ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-25  5:18     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-25  6:04       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-25 13:10       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-25 17:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-25 21:14           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-25 23:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26  1:02               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26  1:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26  1:58                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26  2:06                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26  2:34                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26  2:50                   ` Al Viro
2024-02-26 17:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26 21:07                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-26 21:17                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26 21:19                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26 21:55                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-26 23:29                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27  0:05                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27  0:29                                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27  0:55                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27  1:08                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27  5:17                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27  6:21                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 15:32                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27 15:52                                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 16:06                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27 15:54                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-27 16:21                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27 16:34                                                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 17:58                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 23:55                                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-29 19:42                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-29 20:51                                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-05  2:19                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27  0:43                                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-26 22:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26 23:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27  7:21                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 15:39                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-27 15:54                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 16:34                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27 16:47                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 17:07                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27 17:20                                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 18:02                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-14 11:52                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-05-14 16:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-15 19:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-15 20:42                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-11-15 21:52                               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-25 21:29           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-25 17:32         ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2024-02-24 17:55   ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-25  5:24 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26 12:22 ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-27 10:07 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 14:08   ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-27 14:57     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 22:13   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-27 22:21     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 22:42       ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-28  7:48         ` [Lsf-pc] " Amir Goldstein
2024-02-28 14:01           ` Chris Mason
2024-02-29  0:25           ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-29  0:57             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-04  0:46               ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-27 22:46       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27 23:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-28  2:22         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-28  3:00           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-28  4:22             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-28 17:34               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-28 18:04                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-28 18:18         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-28 19:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-28 19:29             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-28 20:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-28 23:21                 ` Kent Overstreet

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