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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>
To: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
Cc: Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>, Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	 Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Youngjun Park <youngjun.park@lge.com>,
	 Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	 Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/19] mm/swap: rename __read_swap_cache_async to swap_cache_alloc_folio
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 16:50:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2gzofxcv3vbfd5l22drj6p67huf533nq6g2hnurr74ewbrp2gx@f7i6qabbuxng> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMgjq7A+OBoH71qo=Vt65BeV7M9uOvkJ+9pQX2eq4-tqcKwVwg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2025 at 05:02:28PM +0800, Kairui Song wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2025 at 4:28 PM Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > +/**
> > > > + * swap_cache_alloc_folio - Allocate folio for swapped out slot in swap cache.
> > > > + * @entry: the swapped out swap entry to be binded to the folio.
> > > > + * @gfp_mask: memory allocation flags
> > > > + * @mpol: NUMA memory allocation policy to be applied
> > > > + * @ilx: NUMA interleave index, for use only when MPOL_INTERLEAVE
> > > > + * @new_page_allocated: sets true if allocation happened, false otherwise
> > > > + * @skip_if_exists: if the slot is a partially cached state, return NULL.
> > > > + *                  This is a workaround that would be removed shortly.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * Allocate a folio in the swap cache for one swap slot, typically before
> > > > + * doing IO (swap in or swap out). The swap slot indicated by @entry must
> > > > + * have a non-zero swap count (swapped out). Currently only supports order 0.
> 
> Hi Yosry and Barry, thanks for the review.
> 
> > >
> > > Is it used for swap in? That's confusing because the next sentence
> > > mention that it needs to be already swapped out.
> 
> Yes, swap in is the typical user, swap_vma_readahead calls this
> function directly, allocate a folio then initiate the swap in IO.
> 
> I'm not sure why it is confusing. A swapped out slot getting swapped
> in seems a very common thing?

I mixed up swapping in and swapping out :) I was complaining about
mentioning "swapping out", not vice versa. Sorry for the confusion.

> 
> > >
> > > I suspect you're referring to the zswap writeback use case, but in this
> > > case we're still "swapping-in" the folio from zswap to swap it out to
> > > disk. I'd avoid mentioning swap in here because it's confusing.
> 
> Oh, I thought the zswap writeback is considered a kind of swap out :),
> since it's technically writing data from ram to swap device.

We do swap the page out, but we use __read_swap_cache_async() to "swap
in" the page from zswap first.

> 
> >
> > I assume you mean avoiding any mention of swap-out? As for swap-out, we’re
> > swapping a folio out from the LRU — we’re not allocating a new folio.
> >
> > BTW, this sentence also feels a bit odd to me. I’d prefer removing
> > “swap out” from
> > “doing IO (swap in or swap out)”.
> 
> How about "doing IO (e.g. swap in or zswap writeback)"? Swap-in is a
> very common user, and zswap writeback can be mentioned explicitly.

Looks good to me. Thanks.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-03 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 15:58 [PATCH 00/19] mm, swap: never bypass swap cache and cleanup flags (swap table phase II) Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 01/19] mm/swap: rename __read_swap_cache_async to swap_cache_alloc_folio Kairui Song
2025-10-30 22:53   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-11-03  8:28     ` Barry Song
2025-11-03  9:02       ` Kairui Song
2025-11-03  9:10         ` Barry Song
2025-11-03 16:50         ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 02/19] mm, swap: split swap cache preparation loop into a standalone helper Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 03/19] mm, swap: never bypass the swap cache even for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO Kairui Song
2025-11-04  3:47   ` Barry Song
2025-11-04 10:44     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 04/19] mm, swap: always try to free swap cache for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO devices Kairui Song
2025-11-04  4:19   ` Barry Song
2025-11-04  8:26     ` Barry Song
2025-11-04 10:55       ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 05/19] mm, swap: simplify the code and reduce indention Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 06/19] mm, swap: free the swap cache after folio is mapped Kairui Song
2025-11-04  9:14   ` Barry Song
2025-11-04 10:50     ` Kairui Song
2025-11-04 19:52       ` Barry Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 07/19] mm/shmem: never bypass the swap cache for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 08/19] mm/shmem, swap: remove SWAP_MAP_SHMEM Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 09/19] mm, swap: swap entry of a bad slot should not be considered as swapped out Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 10/19] mm, swap: consolidate cluster reclaim and check logic Kairui Song
2025-10-31  5:25   ` YoungJun Park
2025-10-31  7:11     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 11/19] mm, swap: split locked entry duplicating into a standalone helper Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 12/19] mm, swap: use swap cache as the swap in synchronize layer Kairui Song
2025-10-29 19:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 13/19] mm, swap: remove workaround for unsynchronized swap map cache state Kairui Song
2025-11-07  3:07   ` Barry Song
2025-11-09 14:18     ` Kairui Song
2025-11-10  7:21       ` Barry Song
2025-11-16 16:01         ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 14/19] mm, swap: sanitize swap entry management workflow Kairui Song
2025-10-29 19:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-30  5:25     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 19:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-01  4:51   ` YoungJun Park
2025-11-01  8:59     ` Kairui Song
2025-11-01  9:08       ` YoungJun Park
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 15/19] mm, swap: add folio to swap cache directly on allocation Kairui Song
2025-10-29 16:52   ` Kairui Song
2025-10-31  5:56   ` YoungJun Park
2025-10-31  7:02     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 16/19] mm, swap: check swap table directly for checking cache Kairui Song
2025-11-06 21:02   ` Barry Song
2025-11-07  3:13     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 17/19] mm, swap: clean up and improve swap entries freeing Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 18/19] mm, swap: drop the SWAP_HAS_CACHE flag Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 19/19] mm, swap: remove no longer needed _swap_info_get Kairui Song
2025-10-30 23:04 ` [PATCH 00/19] mm, swap: never bypass swap cache and cleanup flags (swap table phase II) Yosry Ahmed
2025-10-31  6:58   ` Kairui Song
2025-11-05  7:39 ` Chris Li

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