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If the > kernel allocates `struct page` memory from a block, then that block cannot > be hot-unplugged. This memory is typically unmovable (cannot be migrated), > and its pages unlikely to be removed from the memory map. > > There are other scenarios, such as page pinning, that can block hot-unplug. > The individual mechanisms preventing hot-unplug are less important than > their relationship to memory zones. > > ZONE_NORMAL basically allows any allocations, including things like page > tables, struct pages, and pinned memory. > > ZONE_MOVABLE, under normal conditions, disallows most kernel allocations. > In essence, only movable allocations (some kernel allcoations are movable). > ZONE_MOVABLE does NOT make a *strong* guarantee of hut-unplug-ability. > The kernel and privileged users can cause long-term pinning to occur - > even in ZONE_MOVABLE. It should be seen as a best-attempt at providing > hot-unplug-ability under normal conditions. Yes and no; actual long-term pinning is disallowed (FOLL_LONGTERM), but we have a bunch of cases that need fixing. [1] Of course, new cases keep popping up. It's a constant fight to make hot-unplug as reliable as possible. So yes, we cannot give "strong" guarantees, but make it as reliable as possible in sane configurations. [1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/882b566c-34d6-4e68-9447-6c74a0693f18@redhat.com -- Cheers, David / dhildenb