From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>, lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CXL Boot to Bash - Section 3: Memory (block) Hotplug
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 17:24:30 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2f759351-a01f-4b1a-bf37-793a42a67c69@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z7OWmDXEYhT0BB0X@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>
> ---------------------
> Step 9: Memory Zones.
> ---------------------
> We've alluded to "Memory Zones" in prior sections, with really the only
> detail about these concepts being that there are "Kernel-allocation
> compatible" and "Movable" zones, as well as some relationship between
> memory blocks and memory zones.
>
> The two zones we really care about are `ZONE_NORMAL` and `ZONE_MOVABLE`.
>
> For the purpose of this reading we'll consider two basic use-cases:
> - memory block hot-unplug
> - kernel resource allocation
>
> You can (for the most part) consider these cases incompatible. If the
> kernel allocates `struct page` memory from a block, then that block cannot
> be hot-unplugged. This memory is typically unmovable (cannot be migrated),
> and its pages unlikely to be removed from the memory map.
>
> There are other scenarios, such as page pinning, that can block hot-unplug.
> The individual mechanisms preventing hot-unplug are less important than
> their relationship to memory zones.
>
> ZONE_NORMAL basically allows any allocations, including things like page
> tables, struct pages, and pinned memory.
>
> ZONE_MOVABLE, under normal conditions, disallows most kernel allocations.
>
In essence, only movable allocations (some kernel allcoations are movable).
> ZONE_MOVABLE does NOT make a *strong* guarantee of hut-unplug-ability.
> The kernel and privileged users can cause long-term pinning to occur -
> even in ZONE_MOVABLE. It should be seen as a best-attempt at providing
> hot-unplug-ability under normal conditions.
Yes and no; actual long-term pinning is disallowed (FOLL_LONGTERM), but
we have a bunch of cases that need fixing. [1]
Of course, new cases keep popping up. It's a constant fight to make
hot-unplug as reliable as possible. So yes, we cannot give "strong"
guarantees, but make it as reliable as possible in sane configurations.
[1]
https://lkml.kernel.org/r/882b566c-34d6-4e68-9447-6c74a0693f18@redhat.com
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
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2025-03-13 17:20 ` Gregory Price
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2025-03-10 14:19 ` Gregory Price
2025-02-05 16:06 ` CXL Boot to Bash - Section 2: The Drivers Gregory Price
2025-02-06 0:47 ` Dan Williams
2025-02-06 15:59 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-04 1:32 ` Gregory Price
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2025-04-08 4:14 ` Gregory Price
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2025-02-18 16:24 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-02-18 17:03 ` Gregory Price
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2025-02-18 18:04 ` Gregory Price
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2025-03-27 12:36 ` Gregory Price
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2025-03-27 16:36 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-31 23:49 ` [Lsf-pc] " Dan Williams
2025-03-12 0:09 ` [LSF/MM] CXL Boot to Bash - Section 4: Interleave Gregory Price
2025-03-13 8:31 ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-13 16:48 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-26 9:28 ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-26 12:53 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-27 2:20 ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-27 2:51 ` [Lsf-pc] " Dan Williams
2025-03-27 6:29 ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-14 3:21 ` [LSF/MM] CXL Boot to Bash - Section 6: Page allocation Gregory Price
2025-03-18 17:09 ` [LSFMM] Updated: Linux Management of Volatile CXL Memory Devices Gregory Price
2025-04-02 4:49 ` Gregory Price
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