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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>
Cc: siddhartha@kenip.in, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mgorman@suse.de,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: limit THP alignment – performance gain observed in AI inference workloads
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 07:50:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2e99712b-8dac-4762-9fc5-fe3ef569b65e@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <80b849d4-faf3-47a9-8b8c-e8053299cfb2@arm.com>

On Tue, Jul 01, 2025 at 12:00:21PM +0530, Dev Jain wrote:
>
> On 01/07/25 11:23 am, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 01, 2025 at 11:15:25AM +0530, Dev Jain wrote:
> > > Sorry I am not following, don't know in detail about the VMA merge stuff.
> > > Are you saying the after the patch, the VMAs will eventually get merged?
> > > Is it possible in the kernel to get a merge in the "future"; as I understand
> > > it only happens at mmap() time?
> > >
> > > Suppose before the patch, you have two consecutive VMAs between (PMD, 2*PMD) size.
> > > If they are able to get merged after the patch, why won't they be merged before the patch,
> > > since the VMA characteristics are the same?
> > >
> > >
> > Rik's patch aligned each to 2 MiB boundary. So you'd get gaps:
> >
> >
> >    0            2MB                 4MB           6MB                      8MB          10MB
> >    |-------------.------|            |-------------.------|                 |-------------.------|
> >    |             .      |		 |             .      |                 |             .      |
> >    |             .      |		 |             .      |                 |             .      |
> >    |-------------.------|		 |-------------.------|                 |-------------.------|
> >      huge mapped  4k m'd
>
> The effort to draw this is appreciated!
>
> I understood the alignment, what I am asking is this:
>
> In __get_unmapped_area(), we will return a THP-aligned addr from
> thp_get_unmapped_area_vmflags(). Now for the diagram you have
> drawn, suppose that before the patch, we first mmap() the
> 8MB-start chunk. Then we mmap the 4MB start chunk.
> We go to __mmap_region(), and we see that the 8MB-start chunk
> has mergeable characteristics, so we merge. So the gap goes away?

No because there's a gap, we only merge immedaitely adjacent VMAs. And obviously
gaps mean page tables wouldn't be adjacent either...

The get_unmmaped_area() would have otherwise given adjacent mappings. Vlasta's
patch means in this case we no longer bother trying to align these because their
_length_ isn't PMD aligned.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-01  6:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-27 10:39 siddhartha
2025-06-27 10:45 ` siddhartha
2025-06-27 15:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-28  3:49   ` Dev Jain
2025-06-30  0:43     ` siddhartha
2025-06-30  5:25       ` Dev Jain
2025-06-30  5:28         ` Dev Jain
2025-06-30 10:54         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-30 11:48           ` siddhartha
2025-07-01  5:23           ` Dev Jain
2025-07-01  5:28             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-01  5:45               ` Dev Jain
2025-07-01  5:53                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-01  6:30                   ` Dev Jain
2025-07-01  6:50                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-07-01  6:58                       ` Dev Jain
2025-07-01 12:15                         ` siddhartha
2025-07-01 12:39                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-01 13:23                             ` siddhartha
2025-07-01 13:28                               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-01 14:20                                 ` siddhartha
2025-07-01 16:20                             ` Dev Jain
2025-07-01 18:49                               ` Zi Yan
2025-07-07  8:56                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-28  5:41                                   ` siddhartha
2025-07-28 11:00                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-01 15:40                           ` Yang Shi
2025-08-11 22:14 siddhartha

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