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From: "Ray Lee" <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>
To: Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	david@lang.hm, Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@enter.net>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Frank Kingswood <frank@kingswood-consulting.co.uk>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>, ck list <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFT: updatedb "morning after" problem [was: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23]
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:20:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2c0942db0707290820r2e31f40flb51a43846169a752@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46ACAB45.6080307@gmail.com>

On 7/29/07, Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 07/29/2007 04:58 PM, Ray Lee wrote:
> > On 7/29/07, Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Right over my head. Why does log-structure help anything?
> >
> > Log structured disk layouts allow for better placement of writeout, so
> > that you cn eliminate most or all seeks. Seeks are the enemy when
> > trying to get full disk bandwidth.
> >
> > google on log structured disk layout, or somesuch, for details.
>
> I understand what log structure is generally, but how does it help swapin?

Look at the swap out case first.

Right now, when swapping out the kernel places whatever it can
wherever it can inside the swap space. The closer you are to filling
your swap space, the more likely that those swapped out blocks will be
all over place, rather than in one nice chunk. Contrast that with a
log structured scheme, where the writeout happens to sequential spaces
on the drive instead of scattered about.

So, at some point when the system needs to fault those blocks that
back in, it now has a linear span of sectors to read instead of asking
the drive to bounce over twenty tracks for a hundred blocks.

So, it eliminates the seeks. My laptop drive can read (huh, how odd,
it got slower, need to retest in single user mode), hmm, let's go with
about 25 MB/s. If we ask for a single block from each track, though,
that'll drop to 4k * (1 second / seek time) which is about a megabyte
a second if we're lucky enough to read from consecutive tracks. Even
worse if it's not.

Seeks are the enemy any time you need to hit the drive for anything,
be it swapping or optimizing a database.

Ray

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Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20070710013152.ef2cd200.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2007-07-10 10:15 ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Con Kolivas
2007-07-11  1:02   ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-11  1:14     ` [ck] " Andrew Morton
2007-07-11  1:52       ` André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-11  4:25         ` [ck] " André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-11  2:21       ` Ira Snyder
2007-07-11  3:37         ` timotheus
2007-07-11  2:54       ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-11  5:18         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  5:47           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-11  5:54             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  6:04               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-11  6:24                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  7:50                   ` swap prefetch (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Ingo Molnar
2007-07-11  6:00             ` [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Nick Piggin
2007-07-11  3:59       ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2007-07-11 12:26       ` Kevin Winchester
2007-07-11 12:36         ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-12 12:06       ` Kacper Wysocki
2007-07-12 12:35         ` Avuton Olrich
2007-07-22 23:11   ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-23 23:08   ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-24  3:22     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  4:53       ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24  5:10         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24  5:18           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24  5:16         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 16:11           ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 - Completely Fair Swap Prefetch Frank Kingswood
2007-07-25  0:59             ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-24 16:15           ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Ray Lee
2007-07-25  4:06             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  4:55               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  5:00                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  5:12                 ` david
2007-07-25  5:30                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  5:51                     ` david
2007-07-25  7:14                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-25  8:18                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  8:28                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25  8:43                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 10:53                             ` [ck] " Jos Poortvliet
2007-07-25 11:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 12:39                                 ` Jos Poortvliet
2007-07-25 13:30                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 13:50                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 17:33                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-25 20:35                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26  2:32                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-07-26  4:13                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-26 10:22                                           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-07-25 11:34                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 11:40                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 11:50                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 16:08                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-25 22:05                               ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-25 22:22                                 ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-25 22:27                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-25 22:28                                 ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-07-25 23:45                                 ` André Goddard Rosa
2007-07-25 16:02                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:55                       ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-25 21:28                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  1:15                       ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-26  1:32                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  3:16                           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-26 22:30                         ` Michael Chang
2007-07-25  5:30                 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  5:37                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  5:53                     ` david
2007-07-25  6:04                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  6:23                         ` david
2007-07-25  7:25                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  7:49                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25  7:58                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  8:15                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 10:41                         ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-25  6:19                     ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25  6:30                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  6:47                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-25  7:19                         ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  6:44                     ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 16:09                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  4:57                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  5:53                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-26  6:06                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  6:17                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-26  6:33                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  6:50                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  7:43                             ` Ray Lee
2007-07-26  7:59                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-28  0:24                             ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-26 14:19                         ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-07-26 18:13                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 22:04                             ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-26 22:33                               ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-26 23:27                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-26 23:29                                   ` david
2007-07-26 23:39                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-27  0:12                                       ` david
2007-07-28  0:12                         ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-28  3:42                         ` Daniel Cheng
2007-07-28  9:35                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-25 17:55                     ` Frank A. Kingswood
2007-07-25  6:09               ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25  6:18                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 16:19               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:46               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-26  8:38                 ` Frank Kingswood
2007-07-26  9:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26  9:34                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26  9:40                       ` RFT: updatedb "morning after" problem [was: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23] Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 10:09                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 10:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-27  0:33                             ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30  9:33                               ` Helge Hafting
2007-07-26 10:27                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-26 10:38                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 12:46                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-26 18:05                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27  5:12                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27  7:23                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27  8:47                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27  8:54                                     ` Al Viro
2007-07-27  9:02                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27  9:40                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 10:00                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-27 10:25                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 17:45                                         ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-27 18:16                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 19:43                                             ` david
2007-07-28  7:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28  8:55                                                 ` david
2007-07-28 10:11                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28 11:21                                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 16:29                                                       ` Ray Lee
2007-07-28 21:03                                                       ` david
2007-07-29  8:11                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 13:12                                                         ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 14:07                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 14:58                                                             ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 14:59                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 15:20                                                                 ` Ray Lee [this message]
2007-07-29 15:36                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 16:04                                                                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 16:59                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:19                                                                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 17:33                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:52                                                                             ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 19:05                                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 17:53                                                                             ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 19:33                                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-29 20:00                                                                     ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 20:18                                                                       ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-29 20:23                                                                         ` Ray Lee
2007-07-29 21:06                                                                       ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 21:00                                                     ` david
2007-07-29 10:09                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 11:41                                                         ` david
2007-07-29 14:01                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-29 21:19                                                             ` david
2007-08-06  2:14                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-06  2:22                                                                 ` david
2007-08-06  9:21                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-06  9:55                                                                     ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2007-07-28 15:56                                                   ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28 21:06                                                     ` david
2007-07-28 21:48                                                       ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-27 20:28                                             ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28  5:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 23:15                                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-27 23:29                                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-28  0:08                                                 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-28  1:10                                                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-29 12:53                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-28  7:35                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-28  8:51                                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-27 22:08                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 22:51                                             ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-28  7:48                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-28 15:36                                                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-07-29  1:33                                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29  3:39                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-26 10:20                         ` Al Viro
2007-07-26 12:23                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-26 14:59                             ` Al Viro
2007-07-11 20:41                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-27 19:19                           ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-26 13:05                         ` Fredrik Klasson
2007-07-31 16:37               ` [ck] Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Matthew Hawkins
2007-08-06  2:11                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  4:46             ` david
2007-07-25  8:00               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  8:07                 ` david
2007-07-25  8:29                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25  8:31                     ` david
2007-07-25  8:33                       ` david
2007-07-25 10:58                         ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 15:55               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-25 20:16                 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-27  0:28                   ` Magnus Naeslund
2007-07-24  5:18         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  6:01           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-24  6:10             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  9:38             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-07-25  1:26           ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-25  1:35             ` David Miller, Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-24  0:08   ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-11 11:39 ` buffered write patches, " Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-11 17:23   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 12:23 ` lguest, " Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-11 15:45   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-11 18:04   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12  1:21   ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  2:28     ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  2:48       ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  2:51         ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  3:15           ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  3:35             ` David Miller, Rusty Russell
2007-07-12  4:24         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12  4:52           ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-12 11:10             ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-19 17:27             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-20  3:27               ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-20  7:15                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-12  0:54 ` fault vs invalidate race (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Nick Piggin
2007-07-12  2:31   ` block_page_mkwrite? (Re: fault vs invalidate race (Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23)) David Chinner
2007-07-12  2:42     ` Nick Piggin

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