From: "Ray Lee" <madrabbit@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
riel@redhat.com, tgraf@suug.ch, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
Mike Christie <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:53:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2c0942db0608190953r71ad8716vc2d11d9366894e40@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060818194435.25bacee0.akpm@osdl.org>
On 8/18/06, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:
> I assert that this can be solved by putting swap on local disks. Peter
> asserts that this isn't acceptable due to disk unreliability. I point
> out that local disk reliability can be increased via MD, all goes quiet.
>
> A good exposition which helps us to understand whether and why a
> significant proportion of the target user base still wishes to do
> swap-over-network would be useful.
Adding a hard drive adds $low per system, another failure point, and
more importantly ~3-10 Watts which then has to be paid for twice (once
to power it, again to cool it). For a hundred seats, that's
significant. For 500, it's ranging toward fully painful.
I'm in the process of designing the next upgrade for a VoIP call
center, and we want to go entirely diskless in the agent systems. We'd
also rather not swap over the network, but 'swap is as swap does.'
That said, it in no way invalidates using /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes...
Ray
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Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-08 19:33 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive deadlock prevention for NBD Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/9] pfn_to_kaddr() for UML Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:57 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-08 21:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 1:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 1:38 ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-08 21:17 ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 1:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 1:39 ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 5:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 13:19 ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 14:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 16:18 ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10 0:01 ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 23:58 ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10 6:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-11 4:24 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-13 21:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 23:49 ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14 1:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-11 2:37 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-13 22:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 23:55 ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14 1:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14 1:53 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14 4:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14 4:58 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14 5:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14 5:22 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14 6:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14 7:07 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14 8:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14 8:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14 8:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14 8:33 ` David Miller, Andrew Morton
2006-08-17 4:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14 7:17 ` Neil Brown
2006-08-14 7:31 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 3:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 5:57 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-17 23:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18 0:24 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-18 0:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18 1:14 ` Neil Brown
2006-08-18 6:05 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 21:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18 22:34 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 23:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-19 2:44 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-19 4:14 ` Network receive stall avoidance (was [PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core) Daniel Phillips
2006-08-19 7:28 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-19 15:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core Rik van Riel
2006-08-20 1:33 ` Andre Tomt
2006-08-19 16:53 ` Ray Lee [this message]
2006-08-21 13:27 ` Philip R. Auld
2006-08-25 10:47 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-21 13:38 ` Jens Axboe
2006-08-08 22:10 ` David Miller
2006-08-09 1:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 1:41 ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 5:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 7:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <42414.81.207.0.53.1155080443.squirrel@81.207.0.53>
2006-08-09 0:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 12:02 ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 13:48 ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 14:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 18:34 ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 19:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 20:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10 1:21 ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 16:05 ` -v2 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/9] e1000 driver conversion Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:50 ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 22:32 ` David Miller, Auke Kok
2006-08-08 22:42 ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/9] e100 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:13 ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/9] r8169 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/9] tg3 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/9] UML eth " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/9] 3c59x " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 23:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09 5:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 5:55 ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 6:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09 7:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 7:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-13 19:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 19:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/9] deadlock prevention for NBD Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 5:46 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 5:52 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 5:56 ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 5:53 ` David Miller, Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 5:55 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 12:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 13:07 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 13:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 19:29 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 23:54 ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10 6:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-13 20:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14 5:13 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14 6:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14 6:54 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 4:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 4:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 5:36 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 18:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 18:42 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 19:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-17 19:48 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 23:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18 7:16 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 3:42 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 8:47 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 9:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 9:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 10:42 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:51 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 11:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 11:53 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13 0:46 ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-13 1:11 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:40 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:49 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 14:56 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 15:08 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 15:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14 0:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 0:46 ` David Miller, Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13 9:06 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13 9:52 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-15 19:17 ` Pavel Machek
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